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Meng Bomin
September 25th, 2004, 12:21 PM
In this thread, a Book Club member can suggest what book(s) he or she would like to read next. Thsi nomination thread has much looser requirements than a DoM nomination thread. For one, you can nominate as many books as you would like, secondly, no one needs to second your nomination. On Thursday, nominations will stop and members will rank the nominated books according to how much they want to read the books. I will use the Condorcet Method (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Condorcet_method) to tally the votes and determine the winner. In the case of a Condorcet Paradox, I will tally the first choices.

emtee10
September 25th, 2004, 12:40 PM
I nominate The Lord of the Rings.

Yes, I am obsessed. Not that there's anything wrong with that. :)

PallidaMors
September 25th, 2004, 12:44 PM
I nominate Da Vinci Code by Dan Brown.

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0385504209/qid=1096140978/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/103-7081208-1154212?v=glance&s=books&n=507846

As a secondary nomination, I choose The Blank Slate by Stephen Pinker

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0670031518/qid=1096141082/sr=ka-1/ref=pd_ka_1/103-7081208-1154212

FruitandNut
September 25th, 2004, 02:31 PM
I nominate 'To Kill and Mockingbird' - Harper Lee.

Second choice 'Heart of Darkness' - Joseph Conrad.

KneeLess
September 25th, 2004, 09:36 PM
I second To Kill a Mockingbird

chadn737
September 26th, 2004, 01:12 AM
DUNE! YES DUNE! WE WANT DUNE!

or A Game of Thrones by Gerorge RR Martin, awesome book this one.

I would second a Heart of Darkness, never read it, but the descriptions I 've read sound good.

The Blank Slate also sounds good, I am an avid reader of science.

NO to Kill a Mockingbird and the Da Vinci Code, I have no desire for these.

Another excellent non-fiction book is Guns, Germs, and Steel.

One book that I've been wanting to read is A Hero of Our Time
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0140447954/qid=1096186359/br=1-6/ref=br_lf_b_6//102-1352968-7462518?v=glance&s=books&n=10433

KneeLess
September 26th, 2004, 05:42 PM
I think the seconding of a book should be required. At the moment, we have 9 suggested books. It's an absurd amount of books to be dealing with, the first four to be nominated and seconded should gain admittance to be able to vote upon.

FruitandNut
September 27th, 2004, 01:50 AM
Ah, KneeLess, a little order from anarchy.

HappyLady
September 27th, 2004, 07:23 AM
I second the nomination of The Blank Slate. John Locke originally theorized the that each person is born as a "tabla rasa" and I would be interested in seeing how Pinker's theory compares to Locke's original assertion centuries ago.

I'd also love to do To Kill A Mockingbird, but that one has already been seconded.

Meng Bomin
September 27th, 2004, 09:06 AM
I think the seconding of a book should be required. At the moment, we have 9 suggested books. It's an absurd amount of books to be dealing with, the first four to be nominated and seconded should gain admittance to be able to vote upon. I see your point KneeLess. Yes, we will have seconding, but I won't apply a book limit. If you don't know about a book, you can place it at the bottom of your ranking list.

Ah, KneeLess, a little order from anarchy.What anarchy?:)

Iluvatar
September 28th, 2004, 12:52 PM
Hmm... Well, I'll nominate:

Atlas Shrugged (A heavy read, but very interesting), by Ayn Rand (with her...um...'unique' pro-capitalism phylosophy).

The Jungle, by Upton Sinclare (Very pro-socialism. One of it's more convincing works in favor of it.)

As for To Kill a Mockingbird, I'm not sure how debatable it is, I don't think it is worth reading for a book club.

I'll second Lord of the Rings, as I'll bet we can get some decent debates out of that. And no, my choice has nothing to do with the derrivation of my name. :)

FruitandNut
September 28th, 2004, 03:06 PM
I second the nomination of The Blank Slate. John Locke originally theorized the that each person is born as a "tabla rasa" and I would be interested in seeing how Pinker's theory compares to Locke's original assertion centuries ago.

I'd also love to do To Kill A Mockingbird, but that one has already been seconded.


I'll be quite happy to rubbish John Locke's 'tabla/tabula raza' theory - if there is nothing in the brain at birth, by what magic alchemy do we learn? (Anyone familiar with the workings of a computer will understand that what I am doing now, typing in and transmitting a message, could not happen without a pre-loaded 'enabler', for instance Windows 200 or XP). What we have to help us is preference, differentiation and curiousity.

Meng Bomin
September 29th, 2004, 05:55 PM
With one more day left for nominations, the candidates for voting are:
To Kill a Mockingbird
Heart of Darkness
The Blank Slate
The Lord of the Rings


If there are any books you think we should consider or would like to become candidates, you have a day. As for the current four candidates, if you do not know about them, I would suggest you find some information.

JazzGypsy
September 29th, 2004, 11:35 PM
With one more day left for nominations, the candidates for voting are:
To Kill a Mockingbird
Heart of Darkness
The Blank Slate
The Lord of the RingsThe list as it stands. LoftR read 3xs over the decades plus thanks to modern technology,
in living color with Dolby Surround Sound of course on the big screen, and the comforts
of home, it literally came to life. What more can a Tolkien fan ask for?

TKaM, well who doesnt love Atticus & Scout from the first read!? And again, Ive sat
and watched it whenever I happened to catch it on TV over the years. And for a quick
FYI, it ranked 34 out of 100 of the American Film Institute's "Greatest American Films"
as well as winning a Pulitzer btw. This was also the film debut for Robert Duvall
who played Boo Bradley. Funny how life goes.

But with having 2 kids whove already had it assigned for American Lit class, both times
I took the book from them and re-read again, and rented the video and sat to watched
it together. So for the former, and the latter, I can discuss those above two books in
my sleep, and dont even need to re-read them really.

The Blank Slate, Id be very much interested in reading, same for Heart of Darknes.
This same goes for Guns, Germs & Steel, which also won a Pulitzer but since that
one didn't make the cut, I'll save that one for another time.

PallidaMors
September 30th, 2004, 10:34 AM
The Blank Slate, Id be very much interested in reading, same for Heart of Darknes.
This same goes for Guns, Germs & Steel, which also won a Pulitzer but since that
one didn't make the cut, I'll save that one for another time.

Well, if there is no limit on what can get seconded, I would like to second Guns, Germs and Steel. I bought this book right before I came out to the desert...only about 150 pages into it thus far, but wow. I have learned a TON about the evolution of human societies so far, and the authors preliminary conclusions are really fascinating. Blank Slate would be interesting, and I think it would help us all with our understanding of ye olde theory of Tabula Rasa, but GG&S deals with a subject you dont see a whole lot on ODN. Might provide us all with a wealth of info to sally forth into the teeming masses.....

Meng Bomin
September 30th, 2004, 09:37 PM
So the list stands at:
To Kill a Mockingbird
Heart of Darkness
The Blank Slate
The Lord of the Rings
Guns, Germs & Steel

May the vote begin. Remember to rank all not just your favorite.

FruitandNut
September 30th, 2004, 11:39 PM
1/ Heart of Darkness
2/ The Blank Slate
3/ Guns, Germs & Steel
4/ To Kill a Mockingbird
5/ The Lord of the Rings

HappyLady
October 1st, 2004, 06:08 AM
It's really hard to rank them. I can't decide which one I want first. The Lord of the Rings would be a big commitment because it's 3 books, not just 1. However, it's easy reading, plus there is the movie to fall back on if the slackers get a little behind in their reading (that would be me). I think Lord of the Rings is very rich in symbolism and it would provide for a lot of discussion. Industry vs. Nature and all that. But The Blank Slate and Guns, Germ, and Steel sound very interesting as well. OK, I'm done thinking out loud.

1. The Blank Slate
2. Lord of the Rings
3. Guns, Germs, and Steel
4. To Kill a Mockingbird
5. Heart of Darkness

PallidaMors
October 1st, 2004, 03:13 PM
1. The Blank Slate
2. Guns Germs and Steel
3. LOTR
4. Mockingbird
5. Heart o Darkness

emtee10
October 1st, 2004, 09:28 PM
1. The Lord of the Rings
2. The Blank Slate
3. Heart of Darkness
4. Guns, Germs, and Steel
5. To Kill a Mockingbird

Meng Bomin
October 2nd, 2004, 01:45 PM
My vote:
1. The Blank Slate
2. Guns, Germs, and Steel
3. Heart of Darkness
4. Lord of the Rings
5. To Kill a Mocking Bird.

Meng Bomin
October 4th, 2004, 02:12 PM
So far the results:

Blank Slate vs Heart of Darkness
........6...........................3
Blank Slate vs To Kill a Mockingbird
........7...........................3
Blank Slate vs Guns, Germs, and Steel
........7...........................2
Blank Slate vs Lord of the Rings
........7...........................2
Heart of Darkness vs To Kill a Mockingbird
........5...........................5
Heart of Darkness vs Guns, Germs, and Steel
........4...........................5
Heart of Darkness vs Lord of the Rings
........5...........................4
To Kill a Mockingbird vs Guns, Germs, and Steel
........3...........................7
To Kill a Mockingbird vs Lord of the Rings
........4...........................6
Guns, Germs, and Steel vs Lord of the Rings
........6...........................3
First Place: Blank Slate
Second Place: Guns, Germs, and Steel
Third Place: Lord of the Rings
Fourth Place: tie, To Kill a Mockingbird and Heart of Darkness
There is still time to vote, but unless we get a flood of new voters, The Blank Slate will be our next book

JazzGypsy
October 5th, 2004, 10:34 AM
Okay so if THe Blank Slate is the choice, then it's off to the book store for me! ;)

Meng Bomin
October 5th, 2004, 01:25 PM
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Yes, I think that it will be to the book store (or Amazon.com) for most of us.

The Blank State is our next book.

emtee10
October 5th, 2004, 01:52 PM
When do we begin our discussions about the book?

KneeLess
October 5th, 2004, 02:23 PM
This is going to be a challenging read to say the least.

JazzGypsy
October 5th, 2004, 04:58 PM
This is going to be a challenging read to say the least.Aw you can do it! Besides, you have to give it a shot now dontcha? :p

Meng Bomin
October 5th, 2004, 07:39 PM
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When do we begin our discussions about the book? Threads will be spontaneous, unless we can start the book at a relatively similar time, read at the same rate, maintain interest, and have a significant section of the Book Club support deadlines for chapters. While reading 1984 we lost interest quickly. However, I would like there to be more organization than that of the Ender's Game reading where everyone started discussing at the end, and there was nothing to discuss. I think threads should be started whenever a member thinks that there is an important topic to be discussed. They should reference what section of the book they are reading, but I do not think a chapter by chapter approach will work well.

JazzGypsy
October 5th, 2004, 08:19 PM
<!-- END TEMPLATE: newreply_reviewbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: newreply_reviewbit --> Threads will be spontaneous, unless we can start the book at a relatively similar time, read at the same rate, maintain interest, and have a significant section of the Book Club support deadlines for chapters. While reading 1984 we lost interest quickly. However, I would like there to be more organization than that of the Ender's Game reading where everyone started discussing at the end, and there was nothing to discuss. I think threads should be started whenever a member thinks that there is an important topic to be discussed. They should reference what section of the book they are reading, but I do not think a chapter by chapter approach will work well.Okay, that being said, let's give ourselves X amount of time/days to get a copy of the book.
I know I'll be at my book store as there is an kick-off event for National Domestic Violence & Awareness month.
I just hope they have it in stock. Humm, I better give them a call and make sure, if not, they'll have to order a copy.
So I propose to go at it as you say NeverE, via topic of importance, and see where and how it goes from there.

In fact, I just finished reading a newly published book about a true crime story of a 4 yr old
girl kidnaped in 1977, and killed in 1990 whose true identity is still unknown.
It's a very respectful book to this girl's memory, not gory or graphic in details thank
goodness, but it unfortunately just shows how broken our systems are. :(
Yet what an amazing story that leaves one wondering about humanity which is right
in line with The Blank Slate when you get right down to it. It's rather scary to see
into the mind of a criminal.
The author is having a book signing at our local mall book store. (He's a local area author.)
This happens to be part of a bigger event in conjuction with "Missing & Explioted Children" (hence my signature.) :)

KevinBrowning
November 11th, 2004, 09:03 AM
<!-- END TEMPLATE: newreply_reviewbit --><!-- BEGIN TEMPLATE: newreply_reviewbit --> Threads will be spontaneous, unless we can start the book at a relatively similar time, read at the same rate, maintain interest, and have a significant section of the Book Club support deadlines for chapters. While reading 1984 we lost interest quickly. However, I would like there to be more organization than that of the Ender's Game reading where everyone started discussing at the end, and there was nothing to discuss. I think threads should be started whenever a member thinks that there is an important topic to be discussed. They should reference what section of the book they are reading, but I do not think a chapter by chapter approach will work well.

So are you guys ever going to start? Not to nag or anything, but it pains me to see my former club languishing.

Meng Bomin
November 11th, 2004, 10:11 PM
So are you guys ever going to start? I hope so, but I know that I have not done my part because of school work. I suspect others either forgot or have a similar problem to my own.

Not to nag or anything, but it pains me to see my former club languishing. No problem. We could use a reminder every now and then.

KneeLess
November 12th, 2004, 12:14 PM
My problem is that the books we keep picking are too boring and hard to read for this lighthearted online discussion. Maybe a short powerful read would be better. Honestly have any of you tried reading the Blank Slate? It's better than sleeping pills, honestly.

emtee10
November 12th, 2004, 01:22 PM
I've started, and am on the last chapter of part 1. It's a slow read, though, and I have no idea how long it will take me to finish it...

FruitandNut
November 14th, 2004, 12:19 AM
My problem is that the books we keep picking are too boring and hard to read for this lighthearted online discussion. Maybe a short powerful read would be better. Honestly have any of you tried reading the Blank Slate? It's better than sleeping pills, honestly.

Kneeless, I can't understand that. Pinker's book is full of pithy and exciting truncated sentences such as:
"But behavioural traits that reflect the underlying talents and temperaments are heritable: how proficient with language you are, how religious, how liberal or conservative. General intelligence is heritable, and so are the five major ways in which personality can vary (summarized by the acronym OCEAN): Openness to experience, Conscientiousness, Extroversion-introversion, Antagonism-agreeableness, and Neuroticism."
Kind of took me back to when I was tackling a module called 'Foundations of behaviour' for my first degree. Logic kind of tells you that we can't come out as tabula raza 'cos if that was the case we would not have any tools with which to be shaped by, or understand -'experience'. We would stay much as cabbages.
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