Star Wars changes

[TwentyOne]

I've been hearing about all these changes that were made to the movies on the new Star Wars DVD set and i have to say i'm pretty upset about it. What does everyone else think?

[KevinBrowning]

I've been hearing about all these changes that were made to the movies on the new Star Wars DVD set and i have to say i'm pretty upset about it. What does everyone else think?

What changes? On Episodes 4-6, or the newer ones?

[emtee10]

I think he means the changes in the "Special Edition" re-releases of the original trilogies which came out in the 1990s. They included different scenes, some changes in the special effects, etc.

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[KevinBrowning]

I think he means the changes in the "Special Edition" re-releases of the original trilogies which came out in the 1990s. They included different scenes, some changes in the special effects, etc.

Maybe, but isn't that kind of old news? And he said "New Star Wars DVD set". So I'm assuming there's a new DVD set of the original trilogy that has even more changes from the originals. I don't really care, personally. I've never even seen the original versions, and I hear the special effects in them are pretty poor anyway.

[emtee10]

Maybe, but isn't that kind of old news? And he said "New Star Wars DVD set". So I'm assuming there's a new DVD set of the original trilogy that has even more changes from the originals. I don't really care, personally. I've never even seen the original versions, and I hear the special effects in them are pretty poor anyway.

I think that most people who are upset are upset because the original trilogy (not the special edition) is not available on DVD and probably never will be. The version on this new DVD set is the special edition, however I have just found out that there are even more changes in this version than there were in the "original" special edition.

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[Fyshhed]

The dvd edition comes with several additional "special edition"-esque changes. Like anakin's (hayden) ghost at the end of rotj. And gungans saying "Weesa free!"

Side note: I had taken it upon myself to conclude that the lack of gungans in trilogy 2 implied that they were eradicated at some point. I had my hopes up. Why, oh why break them? :mad:

[Andacanavar]

Han shot first, and that's all I'm saying.

Unfortunately, Lucas has been quoted (I read it on TheForce.net a couple of times) more than once saying the "Special Editions" are Star Wars now. The originals are dead in his mind. :mad:

[KevinBrowning]

Han shot first, and that's all I'm saying.

Unfortunately, Lucas has been quoted (I read it on TheForce.net a couple of times) more than once saying the "Special Editions" are Star Wars now. The originals are dead in his mind. :mad:

I guess if I was older, I'd have stronger feelings about this. But I was born three years after RotJ, so the special editions are all I know, and frankly I think they're perfectly fine.

[emtee10]

I guess if I was older, I'd have stronger feelings about this. But I was born three years after RotJ, so the special editions are all I know, and frankly I think they're perfectly fine.

I don't think it has to do with when you were born, so much as which version you saw first. I was born in 1988, five years after ROTJ, but I grew up with the original trilogy on VHS. I have not seen all three movies in their special edition forms, but based on what I have seen, as well as what I have heard from others, the changes seem rather unnecessary. If it ain't broke, why fix it?

As for Lucas, he is quoted as saying:


The special edition, that's the one I wanted out there. The other movie, it's on VHS, if anybody wants it. ...

I'm not going to spend the, we're talking millions of dollars here, the money and the time to refurbish that, because to me, it doesn't really exist anymore. It's like this is the movie I wanted it to be, and I'm sorry you saw half a completed film and fell in love with it. But I want it to be the way I want it to be.

I'm the one who has to take responsibility for it. I'm the one who has to have everybody throw rocks at me all the time, so at least if they're going to throw rocks at me, they're going to throw rocks at me for something I love rather than something I think is not very good, or at least something I think is not finished.

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So he's "sorry" that we fell in love with his widely popular "half-completed" film.

[Apokalupsis]

I remember getting excited as a kid when I first saw the trailer of SW on TV. ;) I saw SW in theater over a dozen times over the next 8 weeks or so.

I enjoyed the ep 4-6 more so than 1 & 2. However, I do enjoy the new changes to 4-6. Lucas has always stated that he felt he was limited with technology back then...and that he couldn't do what he wanted. He is now able to create what he intended w/ today's technology. He only slightly modified the original trilogy. While the changes may seem numerous...they are quite small...and only enhance the film IMO, not detract from the storyline.

[Zhavric]

To the fans: GET OVER IT.
You're not in elementary school anymore and Star Wars isn't new. Everyone knows that Darth is Luke's father. Everyone knows that Han Solo is cool. It doesn't matter who shoots first. What matters is that you acknowledge that the films that were part of your youth aren't going to bring back your youth.
Accept this and move on.

To Lucas: STOP censored CHANGING THE censored FILMS.
When an artist paints a masterwork painting, he doesn't go to the museum it's been hanging in for over a decade and say, "Hey, I want to touch up the bottom corner because there's paints that exist now that didn't when I first started painting." The museum says, "You painted it that way. The people love it the way it is. The museum accepted it to put it up the way it is. You made it, but it belongs to the people almost as much as it belongs to you. Who are you to change it?"
Changing a film over and over (even in small ways) carries with it the implication that it in some way wasn't good enough. That's simply not the case here as evidenced by the MILLIONS of Star Wars fans who fell in love with the films as they were. If it's not broken, then why try to fix it? If you (Lucas) are that much of a perfectionist and feel the need to make things not suck, why don't you turn your attention to episode I. If there were ever a film in need of fixing...

[TwentyOne]

To the fans: GET OVER IT.
You're not in elementary school anymore and Star Wars isn't new. Everyone knows that Darth is Luke's father. Everyone knows that Han Solo is cool. It doesn't matter who shoots first. What matters is that you acknowledge that the films that were part of your youth aren't going to bring back your youth.
Accept this and move on.
This is just somethign that we like and we're discussing it. If you don't have interest in it you don't have to post in this thread.

[Zhavric]

This is just somethign that we like and we're discussing it. If you don't have interest in it you don't have to post in this thread.

Make sure you see my private message, please.

[TwentyOne]

Make sure you see my private message, please.
Private message read and my apologies for saying taht you shouldn't post in this thread. Also please read my reply message.

[Zhavric]

No worries. |)|

Like I said, Lucas is in a unique situation: it's very rare that an artist has the ability to "tweak" / alter work he has already created... especially when that work is so well liked for being the way it is.

Ultimately, I side with the fans for one reason: Folks should be able to purchase the ORIGINAL star wars movies if they desire to. At present, they cannot. That's lame. In a world with DVD's full of "director's cuts" it's ridiculous to not release the classic versions.

[TwentyOne]

I even heard that Lucas destroyed all master copies of the original versions so that all that can be sold are special editions and the new DVDs.

[KneeLess]

I even heard that Lucas destroyed all master copies of the original versions so that all that can be sold are special editions and the new DVDs.
Let's be reasonable here people...

[KevinBrowning]

I even heard that Lucas destroyed all master copies of the original versions so that all that can be sold are special editions and the new DVDs.

It is possible that Lucas destroyed the master copies. It is not likely.

[PallidaMors]

why don't you turn your attention to episode I. If there were ever a film in need of fixing...

Ain't that the truth. Ep 1 is like taking the Godfather trilogy and saying "Oh! before all THAT happened, Don Corleone ran DISNEYLAND and someone attempted to take over the Pirates of the Carribean ride! Oh noooo!!"

yeesh. I am looking forward to much death and destruction and plot in Ep 3.
Cmonnnn plot! cmon baby!
no whammies, no whammies
STOP!

[Fyshhed]

I wanted the gungans dead. I would have taken great pleasure in that genocide. Oh well.

At least Anakin is going to get maimed.
At least all the jedi get to die.
And a whole bunch of clones and droids. Curse that dehumanization of warfare. Cutesy PG versions. If I made Star Wars it would be rated R at least. ;)

[Andacanavar]

To the fans: GET OVER IT.
You're not in elementary school anymore and Star Wars isn't new. Everyone knows that Darth is Luke's father. Everyone knows that Han Solo is cool. It doesn't matter who shoots first. What matters is that you acknowledge that the films that were part of your youth aren't going to bring back your youth.
Accept this and move on.

Ay, bite me rebel scum. ;)

Ep. 3 better be all that it promises, and then some. I know I'll be buying the whole six disc set special edition and all, but please, please, let "Revenge of the Sith" be great.

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[Zhavric]

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[PallidaMors]

Andacanavar-
Awesome Minigun smiley....

but you show a picture of That Which Shall Not be Named. may Ra strike you down, sir!
;)

[Andacanavar]

Yeah, but I put a smilie of "The Dark One" as well. (Begging for forgiveness) ;)

I think they should have kept Darth Maul around a little while longer as well. He was bad ass.

[PallidaMors]

You are forgiven. I once told Zhavric that he was < That Which shall not be named....which is how I came to be frozen in carbonite. Quite unfortunate, really. Right now I am hanging on the wall of a swanky bar in Nome.....

[KevinBrowning]

Alright, I replied to that EE LotR thread, so I felt compelled to bump this one too, please forgive me. I recently got the DVD set, and I think it's great, overall. There are a couple changes that make me mad. First, Boba Fett's voice. Why, oh why, did that need to be changed to Jango's annoying drunken Cockney accent? (Yes I know it's New Zealander, don't nitpick). The gravelly, menacing original was far superior, and George Lucas must have been asleep when they made that change. Second, leave old Anakin's ghost at the end, for pity's sake. I've read all the excuses about how "When Vader was born, Anakin died, so he appeared in the last form he was in, blah blah Lucas can do no wrong." That kind of defeats the whole all-important concept that Vader was transformed back into Anakin, his old good self, at the end because of Luke. Isn't that the whole point of the whole trilogy, the whole (soon to be) sextuple series? That after everything, Anakin finally returns to the good side of the Force, and thus is reborn in a sense? To be fair, I'll list two awesome things also. First, the absurd chimp-lady Emperor of Episode V has been replaced by Ian McDiarmid, who plays Palpatine in every other instance he appears. Very, very good improvement. Second, the movies simply look better. Incredibly, unbelievably better. The picture quality and sound is simply superior to the VHS versions (except for Darth's pesky pinkish lightsaber).

[Slipnish]

Sorry, but Lucas is riding the wave of his earlier genius right into the freaking ground....

To date, anything after Jedi has SO not been a good thing. Jar Jar Binks. Need I say more??? Bah and humbug to the lot of you youngsters.

When I saw Star Wars for the first time it was the current PINNACLE of modern tech and special effects. Lucas is having some kind of mid life crises or something. I haven't seen the special editions" nor do I intend to, especially after Kev's post. They changed Fett's voice???

Hell with it. Hell with it all. Ain't gonna do it.

Boo and sucks to you Mr. Lucas.

Gungans indeed! Pfffft!

[Fyshhed]

Episode II wasn't terrible, and Episode III (out this may) looks to be wonderful. I'm a big fan of tragedy you know. Do you know how many people have to disappear in between 2 and 4? :)

There's a lot of killing to be had!!! :D

[Meng Bomin]

When I saw Star Wars for the first time it was the current PINNACLE of modern tech and special effects. Lucas is having some kind of mid life crises or something. Indeed. He likes wierd-looking ugly monsters way too much. That really started to come on in Episode VI in Jabba's Palace with the evil, annoying lizard monkey and the rest of the cheesy puppets and one could see more of that in his films in between VI and I, like Labyrinth.

Anyway, did anyone else notice how fake just about every room in Episode II looked?