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Sigfried
August 30th, 2010, 01:12 PM
The question at hand is this, in the arena of debate on ODN, do you see me as more often an Ally or an Opponent to your positions?

I encourage you to pick one of the two but options are here for those who want to take the easy path....

And yes, this is largely an ego post, but I'm honestly curious how I come down. And no I don't see Opponents as being enemies or have any personal gripe against them, really I tend to think more about my Opponents than my Allys. After all, how could I debate without them?

Talthas
August 30th, 2010, 03:16 PM
We both have strong opinions, and the places where they differ *and* where they coincide sometimes surprise me.

Strong arguments, either way. You usually give me a pretty good run for my money when we're on opposite sides of an issue and make life a good bit easier when we're on the same side of one.

Squatch347
August 31st, 2010, 07:53 AM
I would tend to see you largely as an opponent, we tend to end up debating each other rather than supporting each other. But of course there are grades of opponent as well. I usually put your threads towards the end of my daily response requirement because there will be more thought involved and you tend to come at things from a more unexpected angle.

ladyphoenix
August 31st, 2010, 08:35 AM
The question at hand is this, in the arena of debate on ODN, do you see me as more often an Ally or an Opponent to your positions?Honestly, you don't stick out to me as either. Is that horrible?

manc
August 31st, 2010, 09:00 AM
I tend to debate the post, not the poster. Half the time I can't remember who said what, especially cos I'm new. I only remember some of the time, like the occasion someone agreed with me. I don't care if people disagree with me so long as they put up a decent argument and at least try to see my point of view. Not many do. I cant even remember what I just voted, mainly foe I expect. I have to say this is a bit weird, threads like this. I have argued with you a lot and its always been civil, unlike one or two people on here who just scream abuse or technical ******** when they are losing the argument, which inevitably happens to everyone except me. What I cant stand is people who just turn everything on its head, like you prove them wrong and they say ' you have offered no evidence'. Its pathetic. Let the reader judge I say. Must be a fair few lurkers on here, scared of posting. To some its more of a technical sport than a way of exploring the real world through discussion, thats fair enough but its not really me. I don't think you fall into that category too much. I think you are genuinely interested in stuff, even if a bit blinkered (who isnt).

Sigfried
August 31st, 2010, 10:30 AM
I tend to debate the post, not the poster. Half the time I can't remember who said what, especially cos I'm new.

Me too and I'm not new. I tend to remember the strong opponents or the deeply irritating ones more than those who I agree with. I also tend to fixate on the pictures more than the names. You stand out as the boards only socialist advocate so that makes you quite unique and something I appreciate since my position kept getting labeled as socialist until you showed up. I kept saying, "I'm not a socialist, thats not socialism, you should find out what a real socialist is so you don't sound foolish." And then one magical day you arrived! HUZA!


I only remember some of the time, like the occasion someone agreed with me. I don't care if people disagree with me so long as they put up a decent argument and at least try to see my point of view.

Sure, I mean we all have to not hate one another to debate here I think. Some measure of wanting to disagree is inherent in the format. So opponents/foes are appropriate and desired. Its part of what prompted me to post this, to see how others looked on the idea of friend/foe in the setting and also how it related to me specifically.

I rather like my foes here, but so far it seems folks are reluctant to call you foe if they like arguing with you.


To some its more of a technical sport than a way of exploring the real world through discussion, thats fair enough but its not really me. I don't think you fall into that category too much. I think you are genuinely interested in stuff, even if a bit blinkered (who isnt).

In american competitive debate (which I did in school) things are very technical. Its an exercise in thinking rather than in truth. I tend to only get technical here when I think someone is failing to play fair or they are really missing a clear logical point. I often did the same in competitive debate and as a result didn't often win meets. My record tended to be about 50/50 although I was pretty well respected as not to be taken for granted, kind of a wildcard.

Some debaters have specific habits that bother me, but so long as they also bring some good arguments I'm OK with that. And yes, when folks are loosing they are at their worst behavior, thats to be expected though. Take it as a sign your getting somewhere. :)

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Honestly, you don't stick out to me as either. Is that horrible?

Nahh, just not as interesting. :) We don't actually tussle much except on some economic debates and even then we tend not to clash directly. Same with goldphoenix, I rarely find myself arguing with either legendary bird.

Apokalupsis
August 31st, 2010, 06:28 PM
It's rare that you and I see eye to eye on debate topics. However, I do dig your demeanor (most of the time ;) ). So while you are a foe in debates, I do not consider you one as a member. That being said:

Woe to the foe of Apok in the world of ODN.

Only because I gots teh powwah.

I think there have only been a few members in ODN history who have been "personal foes" of mine here. None are active. Even when I was less civil back in the day, I never carried a personal grudge against anyone (with exception of a few referred to above).

cdubs
August 31st, 2010, 06:45 PM
The question at hand is this, in the arena of debate on ODN, do you see me as more often an Ally or an Opponent to your positions?

I encourage you to pick one of the two but options are here for those who want to take the easy path....

And yes, this is largely an ego post, but I'm honestly curious how I come down. And no I don't see Opponents as being enemies or have any personal gripe against them, really I tend to think more about my Opponents than my Allys. After all, how could I debate without them?

Interestingly enough I feel like we are either on the exact same page or coming from the exact opposite viewpoint more or less equally.