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proverbs
March 29th, 2005, 07:06 PM
So here's the thing:

The television show "Desperate Housewives" is a runaway smash hit in both Hollywood and with the general population. What I want to know is, what do you think about the show? Does it deserve the hype? Is it a harmless comedy or is it a bad influence on our teens? Should it be aired during the 9:00 timeframe without a warning or should it be aired at 10:00 with a warning? What do you think about Oprah devoting a whole hour to extolling the virtures of the show?

Tell me what you think and I'll tell you what I think :evil:

mrs_innocent
March 29th, 2005, 08:02 PM
I like the show, when I remember to watch it (or have the time).

Bad influence on teens? I doubt it. Not that it matters, of course, but teens aren't exactly the target demographic for the show; people like myself are (well, housewives). I'd say 10:00 would probably be a better time slot, but...not my choice. I see no need for a warning, though.

Oprah----well, Oprah is also intended for people like myself (I don't watch her though). If she devoted only one hour of her show to Desparate Housewives, I'm almost shocked. If she devoted any time at all, though, I'd call it pure marketing genius.

zenkitty
March 29th, 2005, 08:03 PM
I've seen one episode and thought that it was a little better written than a lot of other shows, but I couldn't stand any of the characters (especially Teri Hatcher), so I won't be watching it again. No, I didn't see what the hype was about. And I tend to stay away from anything that Oprah promotes.

If it's really naughty it wouldn't hurt to put a rating, right? It is network tv after all.

As to whether it's a bad influence, I probably haven't seen enough to know. But I'm an HBO kind of girl - Sopranos, Deadwood and The Shield (well, that's on F/X), so I like the violence, sex and cussing.

proverbs
March 29th, 2005, 08:30 PM
Bad influence on teens? I doubt it. Not that it matters, of course, but teens aren't exactly the target demographic for the show; people like myself are (well, housewives). I'd say 10:00 would probably be a better time slot, but...not my choice. I see no need for a warning, though.


I think a lot of housewives watch the show and find it a hoot. But let me just add a little fuel to the fire...

I tend to think that Hollywood does target teens with this show. Why else would it be on at such an early hour and without a parental warning?

Pretty much all of the show revolves around sex (married woman having sex with the underaged yard boy; divorced woman with teenaged daughter getting it on with the new neighbor right under her daughter's nose; married woman making extra pocket money while her husband is at work by being a "madam" for most of the neighborhood husbands), drugs (harried mom is told to take her sons' ritalin so that she will have enough energy to be a "super mom" and be able to keep up with all the other super moms in the neighborhood- she even resorts to stealing ritalin from a friend's medicine cabinet in order to get a quick fix), and lies (Terri Hatcher's character burns down her neighbors house when she is spying on her. Then she lies about ever having been there. When another neighbor confronts her with evidence that would bring down Hatcher's character, Hatcher has her daughter steal the evidence!) SEX, DRUGS, and LIES- all things that parents don't want their teens to see and therefore, teens want to see it all the more. Having the show on at 9:00 PM without a parental warning means that teens have access (it's before their bedtime) and since there isn't a warning, most parents assume it's okay (and it won't be blocked by the Vchip if parents have the chip activated).



Oprah----well, Oprah is also intended for people like myself (I don't watch her though). If she devoted only one hour of her show to Desparate Housewives, I'm almost shocked. If she devoted any time at all, though, I'd call it pure marketing genius.

I agree, it was pure marketing genius on Oprahs part- she did a special guest appearance on at least one episode and she plugged her appearance big time. I'm sure she got many additional viewers to watch it. Hollywood loved that! However, here's more fuel for the fire...

Why does Oprah, who is alreay a mega power in Hollywood need to lower her standards to this level? She doesn't need the exposure- everyone already knows who she is. She doesn't need the money- she has more money than any one person can ever use. Should we really applaud her for promoting sex, drugs, and lies to our teens- or to adults for that matter?


Just my two cents

mrs_innocent
March 29th, 2005, 09:20 PM
so I like the violence, sex and cussing

I'm with you on that one...probably why I don't watch much in the way of television.

mrs_innocent
March 29th, 2005, 09:27 PM
Having the show on at 9:00 PM without a parental warning means that teens have access (it's before their bedtime) and since there isn't a warning, most parents assume it's okay

First, how many teens do you really think A)have a bedtime, or B)go to bed willfully on a regular basis by 9:00?

Second, if any parent hasn't noticed any of the media hype surrounding this show in the past months, and assume it's perfectly okay for kids to watch, I'm of the opinion that something else might be wrong. A parent's ignorance is no reason to penalize the network.


hy does Oprah, who is alreay a mega power in Hollywood need to lower her standards to this level?

If I agreed with you that it would qualify as "lowering her standards" (which I don't), my answer would be simply that she's a business woman; that's what business people do: whatever will make them more money.


Should we really applaud her for promoting sex, drugs, and lies to our teens- or to adults for that matter?


I can't believe I'm about to defend Oprah here...

Anyway, she didn't promote anything. She simply took part in it. Oprah's an actress, too, you know.

CliveStaples
March 29th, 2005, 09:54 PM
I don't enjoy shows that glorify adultery.

Slipnish
March 30th, 2005, 06:23 AM
Despite having 2 teen girls at my house, we don't watch it. Although that may just mean they are unaware of all the intrigue or whatever, neither seems interested.

I find that surprising because the oldest is a true drama queen...

At any rate, I just don't like all the melodrama, and have never watched shows of that ilk. Dallas, Falcon's Crest, all those old shows that seem so campy now, were never really followed at my house, though I seem to recall a certain passion for NYPD Blue? (If that was the name of the show.... I was a teen myself then, so didn't spend a lot of time at home...heh.)

At any rate, what exactly is the appeal of this show, or any of these types of shows?

Personally I love House. He's my new hero...

proverbs
March 30th, 2005, 08:57 AM
First, how many teens do you really think A)have a bedtime, or B)go to bed willinglly on a regular basis by 9:00?

Second, if any parent hasn't noticed any of the media hype surrounding this show in the past months, and assume it's perfectly okay for kids to watch, I'm of the opinion that something else might be wrong. A parent's ignorance is no reason to penalize the network.


I agree that most teens probably don't go to bed by 9PM and certainly not willingly. Therefore, that supports the theory that the show should be aired even later. Five years ago this show would never have been aired at 9PM. Times have changed- and I don't think it's for the better.

I think that there is probably a large chunck of the population that is unaware of all the hype or who simply just don't care. What about those parents who work all day long, come home tired, and don't want to deal with their kids? In the perfect "Beaver Cleaver" world this wouldn't happen. But that isn't the reality of the world today. There are tons of dual income families that work more than 40 hours a week and come home simply too exhausted to discuss with their kids what is appropriate and what is not. What about single working parents? They are under even more stress and have less time and energy to monitor their kids viewing habits. For other families, it is just easier to let the kids do what they want because it keeps them out of their parents hair.

I agree that parental ignorance should not be an excuse to punish the network. However, I also don't think that airing something in the 10PM timeslot equates to punishing the network nor is it typically the kiss of death for a show. There are many, many shows that air in the 10PM timeslot that do exceptionally well--NYPD Blue, ER, Law and Order, CSI to name just a few.


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Why does Oprah, who is alreay a mega power in Hollywood need to lower her standards to this level? END QUOTE

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If I agreed with you that it would qualify as "lowering her standards" (which I don't), my answer would be simply that she's a business woman; that's what business people do: whatever will make them more money. END QUOTE

I agree that Oprah is a savvy business woman. I'm not surprised that she chose to devote an hour to promoting the show. Whatever makes money- right? It would have been nice, however, given the fact that she is such a champion for kids (especially kids in poverty, kids that have been abused and neglected, and kids vulnerable to sex,drugs, and violence) for her to have used her power and influence to suggest to Hollywood that they have crossed the line by airing such provocative programming at 9PM without a parental warning. Instead, she chose to take a guest shot on the show and to use her own program as a means to promote the show and to promote herself being on the show. She's smart-- she made a lot of money for both herself and for the DH show. But did she really need it? No.


I can't believe I'm about to defend Oprah here...

Anyway, she didn't promote anything. She simply took part in it. Oprah's an actress, too, you know.

I disagree. The fact that she devoted an entire hour long show to DH and spoke glowing about the program equates to promoting it IMHO. She obviously had no qualms about being part of a show that glorifies sex, drugs, and violence and therefore, she is stating (nonverbally of course) that she believes these things are the norm. That to me says that means she is condoning what the show is all about. Just my opinion though.

proverbs
March 30th, 2005, 08:58 AM
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I don't enjoy shows that glorify adultery.

AMEN!

HappyLady
March 30th, 2005, 09:52 AM
Personally I love House. He's my new hero...

Amen!

HappyLady
March 30th, 2005, 10:00 AM
My take is most television entertainment is crap. In an ideal world, I think networks should take some responsibility and acknowledge the very big influence they have on people. Put some quality programming on...PLEASE!

On the other hand, if they did that, who would watch it? People are entertained by drama, sex and violence, for the most part. If they suddenly started programming Leave It To Beaver type shows...the ratings would plunge.

I haven't seen Desperate Housewives, but I think it has the *potential* to actually be a POSITIVE influence on society because it is a humorous parody on real problems that housewives face. Being a housewife is isolating, oftentimes boring, redundant, and just suffocating. If it addresses some of those issues in a positive way, then the show isn't all bad. But I don't know.

As for Oprah, I think she has lowered her standard a lot over the years. I think the money got to her. I remember years ago, she had a lot of guests on like Dr. Phil, and very spiritual people. She focused on spirituality and the inner self. A little while ago, she kicked off her show with all the pretty things she has in her house. She said, "I think it is very important that people surround themselves with beautiful things" as she was showing viewers her PLATINUM rimmed china! I shook my head. At that point, I realized Oprah went "superficial". She lowered her standards...definitely.

Ibelsd
March 30th, 2005, 02:06 PM
I saw about half an episode, the first one aired. I came away feeling ripped off. Not one "housewie" in my neighborhood looks like any of those women. The housewives in my neighborhood may be equally desperate, but its because they weigh 300 lbs and look like fricken godzilla dolls. So, I have always felt that if I am going to watch a show for its sexual content, then there better be some fricken sex. Network "sexy" programming and Skinemax softporn are a waste of time. In essence, Desperate Housewives is a waste of an hour. Let's think about it. Guys (can't speak for women) watch sex to get off. I don't need to watch tv to see a chick in a bikini. I can go to the beach, open a lingerie catalog, etc. If I am looking to get off, I want something truly titilating, not some phony, censored crap.

HappyLady
March 30th, 2005, 03:43 PM
The housewives in my neighborhood may be equally desperate, but its because they weigh 300 lbs and look like fricken godzilla dolls.

LOL! You must be my neighbor....wait. Not because I'm one of those women, but because many of them live in my neighborhood.

Actually, Mr. Happee and I were just discussing some friends of mine who he thought looked "homely and pure...ie...boring." I laughed and said, "You have no idea..." Basically, I told him not to judge a book by it's cover. You don't have to look like a desperate housewife to perform like one.

I agree with you about the sexual content. My step-son is a teenager, and I just found Playboy and a porn video hidden in his room. I think he took the video from me and Mr. Happee...I guess he roots through our stuff, too! (He's 18, so he's "allowed" legally now.) He's not going to waste his time on a show like that for a bad sexual influence. He has access to much more graphic stuff. There is a point. The teenagers who are watching a show like this probably have access to much more XXX stuff than that, probably from their own parents' bedrooms. lol.

proverbs
March 30th, 2005, 05:02 PM
I agree with you about the sexual content. My step-son is a teenager, and I just found Playboy and a porn video hidden in his room. I think he took the video from me and Mr. Happee...I guess he roots through our stuff, too! (He's 18, so he's "allowed" legally now.) He's not going to waste his time on a show like that for a bad sexual influence. He has access to much more graphic stuff. There is a point. The teenagers who are watching a show like this probably have access to much more XXX stuff than that, probably from their own parents' bedrooms. lol.

Interesting. You don't think porn and sex mags are disrespectful to women? You don't mind your teenage son getting off on pictures of women who flaunt themselves for money? You don't think that it sets your son up for unrealistic expectations in his future marriage? ust asking.

HappyLady
March 30th, 2005, 06:17 PM
Interesting. You don't think porn and sex mags are disrespectful to women?

Are they disrespectful to men also? When I was in college I had a subscription to Playgirl. Overall, I think porn is "wrong", but I think it is wrong because it promotes a promiscuous society. I don't think it is necessarily disrespectful, though.


You don't mind your teenage son getting off on pictures of women who flaunt themselves for money?

No, this doesn't bother me. I'd rather have him make sticky pages than get all angry or pent up with frustration.


You don't think that it sets your son up for unrealistic expectations in his future marriage? ust asking.

No, I don't. His father raised him right. He was in a relationship for over a year with a very normal, average girl and he treated her like gold. She dumped him because she wanted to party in college and didn't have room in her life for a boyfriend. He is the very loyal type. When he was with her, there was no porn in his room (that I could find). I think he is just using porn temporarily to get him through the dry spell. Most men don't want to marry women like the ones in porn movies or magazines. I don't think they expect or want the woman they marry to be like them.

proverbs
March 30th, 2005, 07:03 PM
Are they disrespectful to men also?

Absolutely!


His father raised him right.

I'm glad to hear that! It sounds like he has a good head on his shoulders.

Good "sparing" with you! :*

Pibs
March 31st, 2005, 05:34 AM
Of course the Big Fat O promotes the show, she's a marriage-hating fembot and the show erodes away at the institution of marriage.

Idealogy as much as money.



P.

PallidaMors
April 6th, 2005, 06:29 AM
Most men don't want to marry women like the ones in porn movies or magazines. I don't think they expect or want the woman they marry to be like them.
You mean....umm....women in real life ......aren't like women in pron?

Crap.

Andacanavar
April 8th, 2005, 12:20 AM
I'll give you quite the simple reason why Desperate Housewives comes on at 9PM on Sundays, and not 10.

It's simply not pragmatic. Sunday night is when folks start going back to bed earlier, they have to work the next day. Showing it at 9 gives the networks more viewers, period, which translates to much more advertising dollars. I watched parts of an episode at work one night after the whole MNF fiasco with Terrell Owens. It's ok, I guess. Truth of the matter is, I've seen The Shield come on at 6:00 (repeat) in the afternoon for chrissakes, and nobody is in an uproar about that.

Like I said, DH is alright. The Shield is solid, but I got to give much love to Nip/Tuck and Rescue Me. That's quality TV right there. Between those three shows and repeats of Buffy, FX is hands down the best programming network in basic cable.

As far as Oprah goes, bah, the hell with her. If she were to waddle down the street and get run over by the Hagen-Dazs ice cream truck I would consider it a fitting end to one of the great television disasters in history. One can only hope.

Yeah.. I roll like that.