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Pibs
April 25th, 2005, 09:56 PM
Anyone know any good download sites without DRM (software restrictions on copying) that gives previews, covers a wide range of music and is dirt cheap, perhaps with some freebies?

wippet looks good but no previews, Bleep is good but limited selection and no genre search.

Anything better?



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FruitandNut
April 26th, 2005, 02:26 AM
If you want to go 'dodgy', there are some gizmos available which can search the net and download for you, even bit by bit, while you sleep or whatever!!

Iluvatar
April 26th, 2005, 02:35 AM
I'd recommend Limewire (http://www.limewire.com/). It's simple file-sharing, so if you're not to ethical, you can use it to find nearly any piece of music. No previews, but I can usually download a song in 2-5 minutes, and as many as I want concurrently.

Without getting into a debate here, what are your views on the morality of getting free music, pibs? Aren't you more-or-less stealing from the group/artist whose music you are listening to?

Pibs
April 26th, 2005, 05:03 AM
My objection to DRM is that it prevents me from copying onto my MP3 player, meaning I have to burn the track to CD 1st, THEN copy it, which is a waste of time.

Generally I'm not keen on file-sharing stuff as there's too many viruses about, regarding the morality of such things my view is straightforward enough, if I particularly like something I'll buy it on CD, what I download tends to be 'flavor of the moment' and not something I'd splash $10 on anyway.

To me part of the fun of the net is finding stuff i wouldn't find elsewhere, if I already know the name of the artist, their label, the track name and the drummer's fav' color I'd just buy the darn thing from a shop.

My PC here in Malaysia doesn't have the kicking sound system I had in the UK, just lil tinny speakers and I've got myself a tiny Creative Muvo thingy instead - but mainstream companies prevent you copying to the player.

I mean, what's the POINT?

Real Network gives a list of players - but not the Muvo V200 and besides, out of principle I don't want files messed around with 'protection' if I've already paid for the darn thing.



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Snoop
April 26th, 2005, 08:20 AM
You'll find mostly unknowns but some real jewels here: http://www.soundclick.com/

also try: http://pastemusic.com/radio/mp3/default.asp

Mr. Hyde
April 26th, 2005, 10:16 AM
I'd recommend Limewire (http://www.limewire.com/). It's simple file-sharing, so if you're not to ethical, you can use it to find nearly any piece of music. No previews, but I can usually download a song in 2-5 minutes, and as many as I want concurrently.

Without getting into a debate here, what are your views on the morality of getting free music, pibs? Aren't you more-or-less stealing from the group/artist whose music you are listening to?
Yes definitely with Limewire. WAY better than Kazaa or Morpheus or Napster or Imesh.

Iluvatar
April 26th, 2005, 11:03 AM
Ah, yes, the virus-worry is a valid one. I use a mac (an thus, feel vastly superior to all of you :p), which is secure enough where I never have a problem with viruses. I've never heard of anyone getting a virus through limewire, though I suppose it's possible. Limewire is nice, though, as you get un-screwed-up files, with no annoying protection. They don't die on me after the 5th or 10th time I upload it to my iPod.

As for the morality, you're about the same as me, I download something to listen to once or twice. If I'm going to be listening to it a lot, or really enjoy that band, I'd buy it.

Pibs
April 26th, 2005, 09:28 PM
"As for the morality, you're about the same as me, I download something to listen to once or twice. If I'm going to be listening to it a lot, or really enjoy that band, I'd buy it."

Exactly. As my musical taste is not entirely mainstream I like to sniff out new or unknown bands (mainly Southern rap) but like my other taste, blues, the real stuff is often poorly produced and much of it is utter pants. As such I insist on hearing it first, only when I know a particular track is well-produced and consistently "listenable" would I consider buying it.

It's rare I like something so much I'd buy an album.

I'm sorta fussy on music, I deliberately don't chase any particular group/band, instead picking out singles I like. I stopped doing that album thing a long time ago, as I found I was buying mainly filler. It never used to really matter to me before but now I'm playing stuff on my Muvo I want somewhere worth checking back with, rather than my usual adventures across the net looking for newbies.

Am checking out Soundclick, which seems OK, cheers :)


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KevinBrowning
April 26th, 2005, 10:27 PM
I have been very satisfied with LimeWire, if you do not mind illegal copyrighted file sharing.

Andacanavar
April 27th, 2005, 09:57 PM
Shame shame!

Pibs
April 27th, 2005, 10:34 PM
Illegal too ;)


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Apokalupsis
April 27th, 2005, 10:41 PM
I've only recently begun to take interest in MP3's and whatnot. I'm thinking about getting an IPOD.

I've been using www.itunes.com to preview songs. All songs have previews, some songs are free (but most aren't).

Problem is, I don't know if they are in MP3 format or not.

mog
April 28th, 2005, 12:21 AM
I've only recently begun to take interest in MP3's and whatnot. I'm thinking about getting an IPOD.

I've been using www.itunes.com to preview songs. All songs have previews, some songs are free (but most aren't).

Problem is, I don't know if they are in MP3 format or not.

The Apple format of choice is AAC, and when you download from the iTunes store I don't believe there is any other option. This is only a problem if you really don't want to use iTunes as your media player, as AAC does not play on Windows Media Player among others.

An iPod can play both AAC and mp3, however it doesn't work with wma. iTunes will automatically convert wma into AAC or mp3 when you add them to your Library.

Pibs
April 28th, 2005, 06:31 AM
Have to say though that the iPod is over-priced for what it is, check out the Creative Labs range (they also do white, if you want the funky white earphones etc).

I've been running a PC for over 12 years now, have rebuilt a few and built one from scratch - far back as I can remember Creative, with their "Soundblaster" range have been THE standard of digital computer audio. You still can't sell a computer soundcard today if the box doesn't have the words "Soundblaster compatible" on it.

As has been pointed out, you are also somewhat stuck for choice when it comes to formats, not to mention on-going controversy over the short life of the built-in iPod batteries.

Check out the Creative range:

http://www.creative.com/products/welcome.asp?category=213

I use the tiny Muvo N200, has a radio, voice recorder and uses a little AAA battery that lasts for ages, though you'd probably prefer the Zen range.


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Iluvatar
April 28th, 2005, 10:51 AM
The iPod has been good to me. I've had mine for a year or two, and no problems. Within the last 6 months, though, it has gone from top of the field to more or less average. It was the best for some time. The iPod shuffle is pretty cool though, mainly in that it can produce pretty high quality sound, from what I hear.

As for the AAC, that's an annoying protected format. Not sure entirely how it works, but I've heard of people having problems with it. I usually buy an album if I want MP3's. Actually, now that I think of it, I rarely use MP3's, I use Apple's Loss-less format. I have more than enough room on my hard drive, so i record it in this format, which is like 800+ kbps.

As for album chasing, I use it only as a way to find decent songs. I don't buy an album for the artist, I look at an album by that artist as a lead to find more decent songs. Sometimes the artist/group has a number of good songs, sometimes it was only one or two, the rest being crap.

FruitandNut
May 3rd, 2005, 05:19 AM
I use my i-River H120 a lot in the car, and occasionally in the house. I feel 'self-conscious' about using ear phones while walking about, but will probably get twin speakers for occasional use out in the garden or patio. The capacity of these gizmos is reaching stupid proportions for most usage. I have several hundred recordings on mine and there is still loads of space for more.

Pibs
May 3rd, 2005, 07:05 PM
I got the smallest capacity available on my little thingy, as I know I'd just get miffed if I lost the thing after putting a whole heap of music on it. Tis only 128 Mb but I cans till cram about 3 or 4 hours music in there, plenty enough for me.

It's little bigger than a matchbox, though they do a 1 gigabyte version, and various inbetween sizes.

What I'm waiting for is a 6 gigabyte widget that is also a mobile phone, GOOD camera and has GPS, along with voice recording and radio. Perfectly possible with today's mini stuff but all the companies seem to be concentrating on style over substance right now.


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Snoop
May 4th, 2005, 02:05 PM
Pibs - your wish is coming soon: (from NYT)

Handset makers like Nokia (http://www.nytimes.com/redirect/marketwatch/redirect.ctx?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp&symb=NOK), Motorola and Samsung are introducing the next generation: multimedia phones. The latest entrants, announced last week by Nokia, include a model that can hold up to 3,000 songs, and another phone that doubles as a high-quality camera and video recorder that can shoot and store an hour of video. Media companies - from Time Warner and Viacom (http://www.nytimes.com/redirect/marketwatch/redirect.ctx?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp&symb=VIA) to Google (http://www.nytimes.com/redirect/marketwatch/redirect.ctx?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp&symb=GOOG) and Yahoo (http://www.nytimes.com/redirect/marketwatch/redirect.ctx?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp&symb=YHOO) - are looking to the cellphone as a new market for their entertainment, news and search products, and software makers, led by Microsoft (http://www.nytimes.com/redirect/marketwatch/redirect.ctx?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp&symb=MSFT), have also entered the fray.

The ascendant computer-media hybrid, Apple (http://www.nytimes.com/redirect/marketwatch/redirect.ctx?MW=http://custom.marketwatch.com/custom/nyt-com/html-companyprofile.asp&symb=AAPL), plans to test the market in a few months with a music cellphone, designed in partnership with Motorola, hoping to extend its music business beyond the iPod (http://tech2.nytimes.com/gst/technology/techsearch.html?st=p&cat=&query=ipod&inline=nyt-classifier). Apple's first step into the market, according to industry executives familiar with the company's plans, will be a modest one - a phone designed to hold a day's playlist of music, about 25 songs, which can be loaded from a personal computer or purchased from a wireless music store. The phone is being carefully positioned as an enhancement to the iPod instead of a potential alternative.

There are 172 million mobile phone subscribers in America, or 59 percent of the population. By 2009, cellphone ownership will rise to 69 percent, JupiterResearch, a technology research company, projects.
In surveys of cellphone users, respondents say there are three things they always take with them when they leave home: wallet, keys and cellphone. A recent survey conducted for BBDO Worldwide, the advertising agency, found that 75 percent of cellphone owners in the United States kept their phones turned on and within reach 16 or more hours a day. And when asked if they had ever answered their mobile phones during sex, 15 percent said yes. Go figure.

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/04/technology/techspecial/04lohr.html?th&emc=th

Pibs
May 5th, 2005, 12:55 AM
GPS? I see no GPS?


:)


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Snoop
May 5th, 2005, 06:07 AM
GPS? I see no GPS?


:)


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Pibs - everyone already knows where you are - you're in Borneo.

Pibs
May 5th, 2005, 08:37 AM
Yeah but one mangrove swamp looks a lot like another, as do trees an stuff.

Actually I have a little GPS unit, the Garmin Gecko which is about the size of a mobile phone, in fact when trecking I put it in a little mobbly leather case with belt clip. Dunno what model of phone the case was for but it fits perfectly.

I'd even put up with something larger, if it did everything. Include a built-in lighter and I'd buy 2 of em!

The Victorians were great at creative, multi-purpose stuff. Must admit I'm quite into photography so would still have a main camera but the one on my Nokia is pants, can't even download to the PC with it. What's the point? yeah, I could send it to someone else who happens to have the same kind of phone.. Mmm.

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