truth vs. honesty

[kaleidoscope]

Pretty self-explanatory? My thoughts are that they are two completely different ideas. Truth is more when you don't lie with words, but leaves room for lying with silence; honesty is not lying in any way, be it with words, actions, or by omission.

[Fyshhed]

Pretty self-explanatory? My thoughts are that they are two completely different ideas. Truth is more when you don't lie with words, but leaves room for lying with silence; honesty is not lying in any way, be it with words, actions, or by omission.
Self-quote: "I would rather be a liar than a hypocrite, because at least a liar is being honest with someone"

[kaleidoscope]

That is exactly why truth and honesty are different. Honestly lying to someone is better that lying truthfully, is it not?

[Fyshhed]

That is exactly why truth and honesty are different. Honestly lying to someone is better that lying truthfully, is it not?
Depends on the person and the circumstance. I would lie in a heartbeat if it was in my own self-interest to do so. I feel no guilt about doing what is necessary to thrive and survive. I tend to be honest most of the time, but I will lie when necessary. Truth and honesty are good, but not always the right thing to do.

[Liemmaster]

That is exactly why truth and honesty are different. Honestly lying to someone is better that lying truthfully, is it not?

How exactly can you honestly lie to someone? and by Lying truthfully, do you mean being blunt? you're losing me here.

[kaleidoscope]

Lying to someone honestly.....one example may be that they know you are lying, and you know that they know. It is lying, but at least you are not lying about lying. Lying truthfully is more like when someone's words are 100% true, but they leave something out that stops the person they are talking to from knowing what really happened. For example: Let's say I stole something from someone, and I was asked about it. I could say "I never touched that!" and be telling the truth, because I could have not physically touched it, but letting the person I'm talking to believe that I meant I didn't take it.

Sorry, not a very good explanation, but I hope it makes at least a bit of sense.

[Fyshhed]

Lying to someone honestly.....one example may be that they know you are lying, and you know that they know. It is lying, but at least you are not lying about lying. Lying truthfully is more like when someone's words are 100% true, but they leave something out that stops the person they are talking to from knowing what really happened. For example: Let's say I stole something from someone, and I was asked about it. I could say "I never touched that!" and be telling the truth, because I could have not physically touched it, but letting the person I'm talking to believe that I meant I didn't take it.

Sorry, not a very good explanation, but I hope it makes at least a bit of sense.
half-truths can be rounded up to lies

[Liemmaster]

Lying to someone honestly.....one example may be that they know you are lying, and you know that they know. It is lying, but at least you are not lying about lying. Lying truthfully is more like when someone's words are 100% true, but they leave something out that stops the person they are talking to from knowing what really happened. For example: Let's say I stole something from someone, and I was asked about it. I could say "I never touched that!" and be telling the truth, because I could have not physically touched it, but letting the person I'm talking to believe that I meant I didn't take it.

Sorry, not a very good explanation, but I hope it makes at least a bit of sense.

Alright let me get this straight, Lying to someone honestly is like someone that got into an accident and they're disfigured and they ask you, "How do I look?" and you say something along the lines of "You look fine" or "You look great" or "Did you get a haircut?".

And Lying to someone truthfully is like telling the truth in the case of stealing something but you answer it in the way that it's not being asked. Or you take the literal meaning of the word...

Am I correct?

[Liemmaster]

half-truths can be rounded up to lies

Uhh what?

[kaleidoscope]

Alright let me get this straight, Lying to someone honestly is like someone that got into an accident and they're disfigured and they ask you, "How do I look?" and you say something along the lines of "You look fine" or "You look great" or "Did you get a haircut?".

And Lying to someone truthfully is like telling the truth in the case of stealing something but you answer it in the way that it's not being asked. Or you take the literal meaning of the word...

Am I correct?

Yes, for the most part, although the "How do I look?" question kind of falls into the white lie category, which I see as being different altogether.

[FruitandNut]

Truth is an absolute. Then there is our all too often relativist version - the one we all too often act on, full of insufficient information and personal spin.

Honesty or hypocrisy(its flip side), is the way I consciously choose to react to events or circumstances. Whether I decide to intentionally apply spin (or justification) to my actions; or whether I elect to play as moral and ethical a straight ball as my information sifting will allow.