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Meng Bomin
June 16th, 2005, 12:52 PM
Here is the nomination thread for books to read. You can nominate up to three books that you think would be good discussion material on this forum. Keep in mind that non-fiction books tend to by dry and interest dies like a person who's been heated to 900 degrees F. Also, try to choose a book that has some issues to be discussed. For instance, 1984 was an excellent book for discussion. Ender's Game was not. You can look at the threads related to these books if you want to see what happened with each.

As for my nominations, I nominate:
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Contact, by Carl Sagan (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0671004107/qid=1118951392/sr=8-2/ref=pd_csp_2/002-9116648-0340030?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

AND

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Dune, by Frank Herbert (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0441172717/qid=1118951008/sr=8-1/ref=pd_csp_1/002-9116648-0340030?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

Nominations don't have to be this fancy, but including a link to Amazon.com (http://www.amazon.com/) or another site that gives reviews of books would be nice, though not necessary.

Iluvatar
June 16th, 2005, 06:11 PM
I don't know if Dune is all that debatable. Anyways, when I read this book, I immediately thought of debate:
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God's Debris (http://www.amazon.com/gp/reader/0740747878/ref=sib_dp_pt/103-8251160-8235053#reader-page), by Scott Adams.

This book is amazing. The author, in the introduction, challenges you to find out what's wrong with the world view presented. I think the view will piss off both atheists and theists. This, in turn, will please each, so it works out well. This is the single most debatable book I've ever read. Took my maybe an hour to read. 132 pages, large print, small pages. It's not just one debatable topic, it's a freakin' plethora.

Harrison383
June 17th, 2005, 07:33 AM
Well, this is one of my favorites:

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Fahrenheit 451 by Ray Bradbury (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/9505470010/qid=1119018732/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_xs_ap_i2_xgl14/002-6013501-4089641?v=glance&s=books&n=507846)

Meng Bomin
June 18th, 2005, 11:56 AM
I don't know if Dune is all that debatable.
You may be right. I thought there might be some debate material in the commentary on politics and religion and perhaps with culture. However, Contact is definitely one that can stir debate.

So far, I think the books look like they'd make great book club material. Let's just see if it turns out that way.

KevinBrowning
June 18th, 2005, 12:39 PM
My vote goes to "God's Debris." I read some of the reviews for it on Amazon.com, and it looks extremely debatable. I also read the first two or three pages through the site, and it piqued my curiosity. I'm sure a book that in Iluvatar's words will "piss off both atheists and theists," but in an entertaining and enjoyable sort of way, as I expect from what I've read, will be a successful choice to revitalize the Book Club.

Meng Bomin
June 18th, 2005, 12:50 PM
My vote goes to "God's Debris." I read some of the reviews for it on Amazon.com, and it looks extremely debatable. I also read the first two or three pages through the site, and it piqued my curiosity. I'm sure a book that in Iluvatar's words will "piss off both atheists and theists," but in an entertaining and enjoyable sort of way, as I expect from what I've read, will be a successful choice to revitalize the Book Club.
Is it a quick and easy read? If so, that might give it an edge over Contact, which also could alienate people on both sides of the aisle.

Iluvatar
June 18th, 2005, 01:25 PM
It's very quick. I have a copy lying around, and I went back and read it when I decided to nominate it. It's 132 pages, big font, small pages. Very quick, but almost pure debate. Consider the following chapter titles:
Your Free Will
God's Free Will
Science
Where is Free Will Located?
Delusion Generator
Reincarnation, UFO's, and God
God's Motivation
God's Debris
Physics of God-Dust
Free Will of a Penny
Evolution
Skeptic's Disease
ESP and Luck
ESP and Pattern Recognition
Willpower
Holy Lands
Fighting God

Those are just some of the more interesting chapter titles from this book. The whole thing is just ridiculously thought-provoking.

Meng Bomin
June 18th, 2005, 03:43 PM
In that case, I think it may do a good job for discusssion. Since it is quick, we won't lose many bored readers and since it centers around one main topic, the debate will be easy to follow. I'll endorse it, though I still think Contact would be good material in the future.

CliveStaples
June 18th, 2005, 07:29 PM
"God's Debris" has my vote.

chadn737
June 19th, 2005, 10:41 AM
don't know if Dune is all that debatable. Anyways, when I read this book, I immediately thought of debate:


You may be right. I thought there might be some debate material in the commentary on politics and religion and perhaps with culture. However, Contact is definitely one that can stir debate.

Dune is most certainly debatable.....Herbert's Dune and the rest of his epic series is filled with all sorts of controversial and debatable topics and views. The problem is that Herbert weaves them so well into the story that they do not make themselves obvious.

Dune is "deep" and long, I think it is something a little to massive and complicated to begin with.

I'll vote on God's Debris.

Meng Bomin
June 19th, 2005, 11:04 AM
So far, it looks unanimous, but to be fair, I am going to wait for the responses of the other members before bringing this to a vote.

FruitandNut
June 19th, 2005, 12:38 PM
'God's Debris' - has my vote, you know how I like to argue the toss with the extremes of atheism AND Olde Fashioned Old Testament fundamentalism! :* |)|

KevinBrowning
June 19th, 2005, 05:34 PM
So far, it looks unanimous, but to be fair, I am going to wait for the responses of the other members before bringing this to a vote.

I already ordered it. The first few pages intrigued me, so I'm going to read it even on the off chance it isn't picked.

HappyLady
June 19th, 2005, 05:49 PM
My vote goes for God's Debris. Part of what keeps me from participating in the Book Club is the length of books. I usually have to juggle my reading between a few self-help books. For instance, I am currently reading a book on money, one on health, one on Toltec philosophy, and one on gardening. I have a hard time reading just one book at a time, because I'm usually working on a bunch of projects at the same time, and I don't really even get much time to read anyway. (I try to read at all the baseball games I go to for my husband's team, but then I get into the game or I get nominated to do the score book.)

So, God's Debris sounds like doable to me. I could read it quickly and it does seem debatable, so it will keep my participation up.

Iluvatar
June 19th, 2005, 06:21 PM
HL, I have that same problem. I am currently re-reading "Harry Potter 5", reading "The Prince of Nothing Book 2: The Warrior Prophet", and "God's Debris" (3rd time this week, trying to get my brain around that book!).

God's debris could almost be debated chapter by chapter, though it's probably best to do it concept by concept.