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  1. 4) What is rabbinical authority according to you?

    a) Do you believe that the OT does support Rabbinical authority?

    b) If yes, then to what extent?

    It appears we may need to tak this to private mail due to the 1000 character restrictions
  2. 3) I understand that many Christians believe the "commandments" of the OT are no longer obligatory. Even if you believe that, we still need to focus on the commandments as if they were obligatory. Agreed?

    a) Do you therefore accept the obligations of the OT law to equally apply to all Israelites/people regardless of sex, race, age etc unless specifically excepted by the verse or in cases it would be absurd to apply (circumcision for females; or wearing tefillin on the arm for a man who has no arm etc.)

    b) Do you agree (extending a) above) that if Scripture commands all Israel to do a specific thing, it would apply equally to each individual?

    For instance, if every family is commanded to sacrifice a lamb/kid on Passover, then you could not have your family slaughter a cow and mine slaughter a rabbit etc. One family wouldn't axe the animal while another shoots it etc. Its not a free for all. Agreed?
  3. OK, lets not restrict the possible OT Scriptures we can access or examine. (or NT verses we may wish to produce as possibly affecting this subject matter)

    Let me ask you some questions:

    1) Please define the idea of an oral law according to you.

    a) Is there a kind of oral law you do believe is supported and authorized by the OT?

    b) What is the kind of oral law you do not believe to be supported and authorized by the OT?

    2) Do you believe in Sola Scriptora? That is a doctrine which holds that only the "plain reading" of Scripture is God's truth.
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    I'm sorry that it does grant me an advantage, because I want to lose just as much as I want to win. Meaning: If I could more easily see the Talmud as viable scripture, it would be extremely helpful in my walk as a Christian.

    So, I accept that debate. While I personally don't want there to be any restrictions as to what or how many scriptures (within reason) that we can use, I understand that we need to have more of a specific focus. Maybe we can work chronologically, as in from Moses to as far as we might want to go (maybe into as far as some of the first minor prophets) so that it can be demonstrated whether or not Oral Torah is reflecting Moses' messages (from God, of course).
  5. 3) Does the OT instruct us about an oral law? (I would affirm that)

    I would accept that debate.

    I would favor the "oral law" debate over the shema since the shema will lead to more nebulous claims than the oral law debate. (oral law and rabbinical validity is more subject to a yes or no observation in logic than say for instance debating the trinity). Do you need to do what the rabbi told you to do? OR is 1 really one or fractions of one or is 1 really two or three called one? I think its obvious which question is easier to approach.

    After we practice with that one we will understand each others style in a FD and be able to do a more advanced hair-splitting topic like the shema.

    If that's OK with you we need to rephrase the debate's question in a more exact manner and define our positions. It also grants you the advantage since I will be trying to prove an affirmative (namely that the OT does imply an oral law and rabbinical power etc.)

    Looking forward - DAK
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    I'd opt for either number three, or I would opt that the Shema doesn't specifically mean that God has only one representation.
  7. skip apocrypha and akkedah for now. We already have one going on the binding and apocrypha is a bit nebulous.

    If you do want to talk about any discussion as simply an open minded exchange which need not conform to debate rules here on ODN, I am sure no one would mind if you opened a topic in "shooting the breeze" and invited me in.

    For a FD, it is very important that we narrow the topic to a specific within a specific, and set up agreed givens beforehand. Then you can pick the side you wish to affirm/defend. For instance:

    1) The Shema specifically proves the existence of 3 dieties in the OT scripture. (I would deny that one)

    2) The following passages X, Y, Z prove that the OT accepts polytheism defined as: p, q, r etc. (I would deny that too LOL.)

    3) Does the OT instruct us about an oral law? (I would affirm that)

    etc.

    Just make it specific enough so a judge could see the aim of each side in an FD and determine who came closer to proving their case.

    Shalom, DAK
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    But those are all very involved in how different the perspectives of Christianity and Judaism are. I'm interested in other religious matters as well. We don't necessarily have to jump at our differences.
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    Well, here's some brainstorming, meaning I have a few ideas but I really want to hear what you'd want to debate about:

    Differences in Hebrew and Christian philosophy

    Differences in Hebrew and Christian theology and especially pertaining to concepts like monotheism.

    Popular OT passages such as the Akkedah and Shema (I know your ears must perk up at mention of the Shema).

    Whether or not two distinct Jehovah figures are being revealed in the psalms of Moses and David.

    Christianity and Judaism in relation to the Talmud. Whether or not Christians should use the Talmud liturgically, of which I am interested in the idea. Also, whether or not it contradicts itself or it proves that there is Oral Torah, and that the Rabbinic tradition is sacred (which I feel fairly open towards and would love to hear from a Rabbi about).

    Our interpretations of the Apocrypha. That is, whether or not you or I should look at these as liturgically usable in the OT/Torah.
  10. Sure Luke, we need a topic, and then some parameters. Then ready, fire , aim.
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