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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    One can't object to something which isn't even coherent. Please provide a coherent explanation and support for P1.
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    That only goes to show you shouldn't always trust your intuitions and jump to conclusions, Squatch, no matter how strong they may be! The main reason here being that you imagine that the HH model was...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Again, dogmatism is not the only criterion which places religious morality in the category of Non-SM. Religious morality is by definition non-secular morality as per the OP's definitions. If you wish...
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    Re: Does god exist?

    Out of respect for you or for the man? While, in the past, I've usually told people to go carnally service themselves and continue to use it when they express such entitlement issues as being...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    It's not only a great theory, but the basis for how most societies function.
    And each time I explained why your assertion that something within SM is dogmatic is incorrect.


    As per the OP,...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    I clearly wrote that in some cases the change in laws has lead to releasing prisoners. Here is one example from your very own Louisiana:...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    The model explains how and why the idea of "this is the beginning" loses any meaning when approaching t=0, hence it didn't "begin" in the sense that you appear to be using the word (transition from...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Sorry I missed this post, Peter.

    Well, for one, your comparison between someone cutting off your head and someone performing an abortion fails for a couple reasons: person-hood and suffering is...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Could you advise where you found this quote?
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    Re: Does god exist?

    You seem to be extrapolating a very simple statement made by Sig into a claim about the Xtian deity's ability to perform miracles, which it is not. All he appears to have meant is that, if the...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Probably he meant stars. The over-all point makes sense though.
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Perhaps, but whether it "will continue to be unavailable" is unknown, and therefore we should never stop trying to learn more. Statements like the one you quoted from Neil deGrasse Tyson, while...
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    Re: Why is Pedophilia Categorized as a Disorder?

    This is absolutely false. The APA was not influenced by changes in public opinion to change its classification of homosexuality, the classification was changed as a result of numerous studies and a...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    The reason skeptics don't want to believe the message is that it's loaded with claims which haven't met their burden of proof - simple as that. That you say it rests on prophecies is even worse,...
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    Re: Why is Pedophilia Categorized as a Disorder?

    I'm not sure what your point is here. You do realize that, in some places, they don't consider the same actions to be illegal in the same way as we do, right? Are you trying to say that a society...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    To be clear, any confusion here is due to Squatch's misuse of the term "steady state". Nobody refers to a "steady state singularity" when discussing BB theory - certainly not the BB models which do...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    True, it does seem that way. Although realizing that religion and other irrational beliefs are the cause of most humans' problems doesn't seem extreme, either. It actually makes sense - if having an...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    No need for extreme skepticism, Frank ... just regular old skepticism!

    Indeed, the very same kind of skepticism which theists such as PGA apply to other religions' texts ...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    And I was referring to situations where the laws were changed which resulted in changes to in-progress punishments, in some cases even to the extent of releasing prisoners. Again, this ability to be...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    But why? You've confirmed that you'd respond that you believe Zeus doesn't exist.

    Then all I can tell you is that you might want to re-consider your position on the usage of the term, since the...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    This is again a kind of category mistake. The fact that it's illegal to do XYZ is a fact, sure, but the basis for and reasons why it's illegal is what must be incontrovertible in order to fail the SM...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    I've provided examples of how societies do this on a regular basis.

    The bolded part of your statement literally contradicts the incontrovertibility aspect.

    Again, the political principles...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    As I explained, it's not based on a false etymology, but on the natural evolution of language and the needs of those using it. Whether it is or isn't a false etymology is irrelevant.

    I don't know,...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    The distinction you are missing is that of incontrovertibility/unquestionability. This is the main idea behind dogma, and the distinction I've repeatedly forwarded in my posts.
    == Definitions ==...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, I don't think it's based on false etymology - it's just the natural evolution of how we use the words based on how our own thinking has evolved and provided different/addition needs for usable...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Words don't have intrinsic meanings, they have usages. As much as I personally enjoy the study of language and its use, along with etymology and the history of languages, I have to respect every...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    He also forwarded a definition of atheism which implies that atheism in general means to hold that God doesn't exist.

    I stand by my responses and questions. You can quote them specifically and...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Frank, I offered you the actual text from the website. It really seems as though sometimes you just scan over what is written and don't invest the time to take it all in...

    I've already responded...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    You clearly don't fully understand the meaning of dogmatic. As I've already explained, there is nothing dogmatic about the way western secular societies operate. Literally every position they adopt...
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    Re: Are ODN "atheists" theophobiacs?

    And many folks live their lives without knowing whether some deity exists and have no opinion on it. Does everyone know whether "Deity X" of "Some Ancient Tribe" exists or do they have an opinion on...
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