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    Re: Rose Garden "Fainting" Was Staged

    He probably had an earpiece and was notified what was happening behind him.

    I watched the video. It does make some good points. However, it could also all just be coincidence.

    I just don't see...
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    Re: the debate of animal rights

    OK JImJones, I'm getting a clearer picture of your position I think. A couple more questions though...

    1) As you have described your position, it seems as if truth is subjective, not objective....
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    Re: I'm uncomfortable.

    Well, I think that view is best represented in its higher category: "Agnosticism." It makes no statement about possibility of knowledge of God's existence. The Hard/Soft take Agnosticism a step...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    I'm skipping a few points as the discussion is getting long-winded. Let me know if I miss something I should have addressed.



    Not at all. Extraordinary claims require sufficient support, end,...
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    Re: the debate of animal rights

    How is this not a contradictory statement? If something is arbitrary and contradictory, you cannot justify it by definition.


    Advocating torture is not synonymous with having lack of...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    Right. And? Their misunderstanding or lack of knowledge doesn't make something true or false. What does that have to do with truth discovery by using proper evidence and reasoning? Once we have the...
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    Re: the debate of animal rights

    The issue of animal rights seems to be contingent upon one's world view, or the way the world is. For example...I do not see how one could justify animal rights if one subscribes to naturalism, it...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    By what we know about the evidence we have.

    We have no reason to believe the magic trick is real because we know that tricks like this are done with mirrors (a few have used trap doors or...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    No we don't. Just like we have a variety of ways to evaluate an event. You are limiting yourself. You may not be able to properly evaluate X at a particular time with insufficient methods, data, and...
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    Re: Starship Troopers

    Never read it, but I enjoyed the movie. What were the relevant differences? Aside from the action, the exploration of propaganda and how it is used was quite interesting IMO. Was that not a theme in...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    Wrong. Manipulating a presentation with the intent to deceive is not evaluation Sig. How could you possibly justify such a thing?


    That Ehrman makes a case against those factors elsewhere is...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    False comparison. NONE of your pieces of evidence for the magician is being examined. You are merely describing what has occurred, nothing more. If you had actually examined the evidence, you'd have...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    They don't need to be. Craig isn't using the theorem in a technical sense nor in the sense that it is being used to support an actual probability of the Resurrection. He's merely illustrating that...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    They are defined:



    Or are you meaning another type of definition?


    What specifically is the sloppiness given the definitions above? I'm following this argument just fine...and I am not a...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    It's certainly possible I'm completely misunderstanding what you are trying to say. If so, I apologize. But I can only go by the words you choose to use and their meaning as I understand them....
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    But you don't seem to be doing this. You are only using "background knowledge" not evidence in your probability calculus. You are saying that because in all known instances magic tricks have been...
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    If someone chooses to they can. The staff may act prior to that however.

    The staff has discussed what our response will be to said report (and offending post). For the most part, it won't ever...
  19. Re: Rule Update: Jargon, Technical Terms, Formal Language or Incomprehensible Speech

    This is already answered in the last part of the rule:

    If the OP starts out with an argument using jargon or formal language then responses can, of course, be constrained to use of that language...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    ...but he's not doing that at all. It seems you believe here that because he uses a formula, that he's saying that X is likely to be true. That isn't what is happening here Chad. Not in the least.
    ...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    Where did he assign any numerical value to any probability? It isn't like he is claiming that it is 89% probable that it is the case...or 75% or 55%. He's merely using concepts such as unlikely,...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    He does that in his opening statement. In short, he's arguing that the best evidence available indicates that it is more likely for the story of the Resurrection to be true, than to be false. He...
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    Re: Baye's and Philosophy

    Seems like it is a good example.

    For convenience, I'll copy/paste the argument he uses it in:


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    II. The resurrection of Jesus is the best explanation of...
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    Re: I'm uncomfortable.

    This is a fair, and good question.

    I've covered this before elsewhere, so I'll post it here for convenience:

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    Re: I'm uncomfortable.

    Hmm...well a couple things.

    The latter statement...it isn't that "outlandish claims need to be supported" it is that "any claims need to be supported." Any claim made without support is just an...
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    Re: Introducing Myself

    Welcome to ODN. See the FAQ's if you are unfamiliar with the vbulletin forum system and be sure to check our our Rules page as it cuts right to the chase on what is expected (not only from you, but...
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    Re: Baye's and Philosophy

    Can you guys provide some examples? Particularly ones that are suspect?
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    Re: I'm uncomfortable.

    I agree with you re: distinction between theism and particular religions, as well as the fact that someone who believes in God almost certainly is more than simply a theist, but an adherent to a...
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    Re: I'm uncomfortable.

    But you are misunderstanding the chart and its relevance/application by not making the distinction between the "issues."

    The issue you address by the question "What properties does or would this...
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    Re: I'm uncomfortable.

    That's a secondary state of belief, not primary. I'm listing only primary because that's the universe of discourse.


    Agreed...but then....this too is a secondary issue, not a primary.

    In other...
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