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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I'd say that's equivocation. I looked up the definition of "imaginary" and it pertains to the fanciful and nonexistent. Concepts that are created in the mind and not necessarily fanciful and...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I don't see how. If a system doesn't concern itself with right and wrong, then it's not a moral system regardless of whether it lines up with a brain state.




    I don't see how you get there. ...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I'd say it's just a matter of degrees. If my morals say that I should be kind to children and also prevent others from being victimized, I would be morally obliged to take both of your hypothetical...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    That's kind of a tricky one, actually. I mean if someone does something good because their morality tells them that they should, it would seem that by definition they are fulfilling an obligation to...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I see no reason to accept this definition of "moral duty". Where in the definition of "moral duty" does it say that one must do X at every opportunity to do so? And the fact that SOME moral duties...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I don't quite agree with your definition of "obligation". Let me provide a dictionary definition.

    "an act or course of action to which a person is morally or legally bound; a duty or commitment"...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    First off, I am not making the argument that such a thing exists so no, I'm not assuming it exists. I posit that it's possible that it exists and it's a logical truism that unless something is shown...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Your statement originally said that if there was no objective morality, there are no moral duties and that's not the case. There would still be moral duties - subjective ones.





    But...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Sure. But there are objective truths regardless of what we may think or how flawed our thinking is. And of course those who are more like to be correct in, say, physical science are those who have...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    But nonetheless, if there is an objective source of morality, to the extent that theists say that there is such a source who has determined that certain things are objectively morally correct, they...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    If objective morality as defined in the OP is correct, I don't see how one can argue that it's not superior to subjective morality.

    But that doesn't necessarily mean that if the opposite is true,...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    The burden falls on whoever makes the claim. So if one claims that God exists, they have the burden to prove it. If one claims that God does not exist, they have the burden to prove it. If no one...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    SUPPORT OR RETRACT that "neutral" means "not any". And please use a dictionary link if you attempt to support this assertion.

    And I will support that without objective morality, nothing can be...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    While I agree with your logic, a common notion of objective morality is that there is an external being, often considered God, who likewise has a "personal" morality and that this being's morality is...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    In day-to-day application, yes. But I don't think debating the actual source of morality is inherently uninteresting even if no applicable results occur.
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    Re: Terms in the abortion debate

    Since they both fit what I would envision when I hear the word "computer" without context leading me to envision something else, I would say "no".

    But a brain qualifies as a computer and if you...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    NO! If there is no objective morality, then nothing has any internet positive or negative value as well as no inherent neutral value. You are clear that in this point we are discussing the...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I agree. But to say that it is OBJECTIVELY morally neutral refers to an external source that has determined that an action is morally neutral. If there is no external objective source indicating...
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    Re: Terms in the abortion debate

    I'm sorry but I don't see how this rebuts my point so I will repeat it.

    If someone says they are bringing their baby and you don't have any other information regarding the person, you would...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I agree up until the very last thing you said. "Morally neutral" indicates that something falls in the middle of a scale as opposed to the scale not existing. So I disagree that without objective...
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    Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    So the question of this thread is:

    Which is superior - objective morality or subjective morality

    My answer is "Whichever one of them is correct". And since I can't support that either are...
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    Re: Terms in the abortion debate

    But you are referring SPECIFICALLY to the woman and her own unborn and not to people and the unborn in general.

    Yes, I fully concede that when it comes to a woman and the unborn inside of her, the...
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    Re: Bruce Jenner is MAN who is mentally ill.

    I suppose your point is invalid because you have not successfully made the case that he has employed a logical fallacy.




    But he doesn't say that. He said:

    "I don't think anyone here is a...
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    Re: Bruce Jenner is MAN who is mentally ill.

    But it's not a fallacy to appeal to such a person for "appeal to authority" fallacy refers to appealing to an authority who is not an expert in the given field.

    In support:

    "An argument from...
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    Re: Bruce Jenner is MAN who is mentally ill.

    Again, it's an appeal to EXPERTISE. A doctor is an expert, not an authority.

    So either way you cut it, it's not an appeal to authority to appeal to an expert in the relevant field.




    A...
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    Re: Bruce Jenner is MAN who is mentally ill.

    Okay. But I don't see how it can be considered an appeal to authority.




    And being distressed is not a disease.
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    Terms in the abortion debate

    When it comes to debates regarding abortion, there often seems to be a disagreement on what term to use when referring to the unborn.

    Pro-choicers tend to call it a "fetus" and pro-lifers often...
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    Re: Bruce Jenner is MAN who is mentally ill.

    It's not. When you appeal to a doctor or some other kind of expert, you are appealing to expertise, not authority.




    And experts pretty much agree that transgenderism is not a disease. From...
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    FD: Re: Debate: Does Goes Exist?

    I haven't seen it defeated here so I don't accept that it has been. And even if it were defeated, there are many other motivations for keeping certain knowledge from human beings. It is beyond...
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    Re: Democrat == Crybaby

    And saying that is to engage in the hasty generalization fallacy. It's not true that ALL Clinton supporters think that. You can only say that SOME do. True, but so what?

    SOME supporters of...
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