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  1. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    Why should I care that cognitive experience isn't a part of your argument? It's a part of mine. Will you ever contend with it?

    Repeating this doesn't affect the possibility of non-physical...
  2. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    I didn't ignore it. I pointed out that it is irrelevant; it's all right there in my post. All you've done here to "rebut" it is deny that it is a cognitive experience (and accidentally imply that a...
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    Re: Christianity and the Salvation of Unbelievers

    :undecided:
  4. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    Really? Good luck showing that. Consciousness is THE basis for all cognitive experience - no consciousness; no experience. Consciousness is the ONE thing we CAN be 100% certain exists. However,...
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    Re: Christianity and the Salvation of Unbelievers

    Alright, so here we have something of an impasse. On the one hand, we have a person who lives a good life, does good deeds, and whose works (for the sake of argument) is morally superior to, say, the...
  6. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    How MUCH stock?

    Here's where it's getting confused.

    I'm not even claiming that the SV does or does not exist, let alone anything even remotely like "ONE PARTICULAR THING" (in this case, the...
  7. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    I'm not sure what you mean. For example, in this post you claimed that you're "comparing the likelihood that a physical explanation is correct compared to a metaphysical explanation". When I pointed...
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    Re: Christianity and the Salvation of Unbelievers

    Do you guys feel like these teachings account for certain specifics?

    For example:

    ~There are people who will live their whole lives never hearing of Jesus and the message of salvation - They...
  9. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    Clearly.
  10. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    And I see no reason to accept that, just because you happen to be persuaded by physical evidence, that we should claim that such evidence diminishes the likelihood of non-physical components by...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    That would be interesting to read. If I were a betting man, I'd guess that it something that's sometimes used in dealing with the difficulty of people who are ignorant of Christianity (sometimes...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    That's fair. Also, I know I'm veering us off-topic a little, but the same ol' nose-thumbing back and forth is so boring, you know?

    Anyway, concerning non-belief, what makes you suspect that those...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Gotcha. :tup:

    So, given that you appreciate that it may be completely different for non-believers, how does that square with the idea of choosing to believe in souls? Your statement here suggests...
  14. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    Perhaps, but how do you arrive at the "IF"? You keep introducing this "if" factor as if observation of the physical provides some insight into the non-physical (I'm just going to say "non-physical"...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    I'm not pretending anything. I never understood what people meant when they said a soul is an "immaterial spiritual entity". What is "spiritual"? What does it mean for a thing to be "immaterial"?...
  16. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    Who said it has to be either A or B? On what basis could anyone assume such a thing? How does completely describing physical components reduce the likelihood at all of Sentient/Immaterial/Spectral...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    I didn't say it wasn't, but you DO have to know SOMETHING about it. Using nebulous terms like "immaterial spiritual entity" doesn't tell us anything about it.
  18. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    But that doesn't affect likelihood at all. Even if you have a complete physical explanation of the phenomenon, nothing about that physical explanation affects the likelihood of the possible...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Because if you have no idea what something is, you can't go on to claim to know anything about it.
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    It's not clear what is meant by "immaterial spiritual entity". Without knowing what that is, it could just as easily be that it exists as a G&%198.qa^ FFFFFFFG*#1.
  21. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    This is a solid set of reasons to accept that sleeping orgasms require physical components, but I don't see anything in here that even remotely begins to rule out sentient, immaterial, spectral...
  22. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    ”More than likely”? Well that’s just playing the odds. Sleep, as far as we know, is at the very least an altered state of consciousness. If you are going to argue that science has determined what the...
  23. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    Not quite; you’re bridging a gap that my argument isn’t. The argument ISN’T “it cannot be disproven, therefore it must be true”. My argument is “It cannot be disproven, therefore the likelihood of...
  24. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    All valid points, Sharmak. However, bear in mind that the opening post only demonstrates that the sentient, immaterial, spectral vibrator (SISV) cannot be DISPROVEN. The central claim of the opening...
  25. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    Ah, yes. All good points. For example, many people feel that the Sandy Hook massacre was hoax perpetrated by the government (probably Killary) in order to bolster government regulation to take away...
  26. Re: Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    All good points. (Your examples would fall under the category of biological/psychological explanations, btw.) The only logical conclusion is that, in the case of women who have experienced orgasms in...
  27. Sentient Immatierial Spectral Vibrators Do Not Exist

    Scientists have discovered that women sometimes have orgasms in their sleep. While any number of explanations are available, none of these explanations effectively rule out the existence of sentient,...
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    Re: Global Warming Does Not Exist

    I find this response convincing. Damn, you did it again!
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    Re: Global Warming Does Not Exist

    I'm convinced. You win.

    /end thread
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Right, but that goes for pretty much any attribute once someone assigns a possible supernatural element to it. Consciousness is the only emotionally powerful experience people have, and it's still...
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