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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    So if it was, say, 50.5% you wouldn't have this objection to the media used?

    That doesn't seem a bit arbitrary of a number to you?



    Don't worry, the sarcasm came through clearly :-)
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    Re: ODN Update / Changes

    We'd have to see if Apok checks in, I don't think any of us have access to that aspect of the server.
  3. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazar

    I've restored this thread and moved it here for a 1v1 discussion between you two. Have fun.
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Its hard, kind of like public speaking, humor is one of the areas they recommend you stay away from because if you don't pull it off just right it is really a show stopper. I agree that when done...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Well obviously. It has had some elements of humor at different times, but everyone here, even in the golden days was too intellectually prickly to be too funny. Still, the days with Syl and her...
  6. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    This is an argument that a lot of MW advocates have moved away from because it is so easily refuted, but here we are.

    Ok; a) Support that they have the ability to pay the higher wages by...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    [Opens Facebook PM log where you already made this objection and I responded to it.]

    Cowboy- Slippery slope fallacy.

    Squatch - Ahhhh. Well no. It is only a slippery slope if no argument for why...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Alright, I made another good point! ;-)

    Of course communication isn't literally medicine. That is why it was an analogy. The relevant part of that analogy was that any particular course of...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    As compared to what? Pointing out drawbacks of one form of communication doesn't have much impact unless there is another medium with all the same benefits and fewer of those drawbacks.

    Its a bit...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    This is probably a broader conversation, but let me ask a question. Why do you think that distinction in language exists? Why are there such complex words and structures?

    And a follow up...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Well it should be an easy matter to quote me making such a statement then. I suspect (as is common for anyone on one of these debates) that you are assuming the conclusion I've come to without me...
  12. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    You beat me to it :-) I think you are correct that this is just another example of being mugged by reality when you focus on intentions.

    From the original CNN article...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    And that is where this reasoning inevitably goes. Its ok to have mandatory eugenics program as long as the reason is "good enough." And of course, what is "good enough" is pretty subjective. It...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    Ahh, so let's return that new clarification to our original example.

    It would be ok for the majority to mandate eugenic procedures as long as they had a "good reason?"




    Well, all of...
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    Re: Who Is Still Active

    Isn't that a pretty old meme?
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    So it is out of limits for a majority to eliminate someone's access to firearms?




    If I'm reading this correctly, you are saying that you don't like the mandating of activity. That that is...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/showthread.php/28279-Theistic-beliefs-are-not-rationally-justified?p=567479&viewfull=1#post567479


    Sorry if that sounded like I wasn't agreeing. I'm willing to...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    So are values on free speech, gun ownership, religious expression, education, healthcare, and a host of other topics. Is the fact that those views are subjective mean that they are off-limits for...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    Ok, buy why? Why do you say that this expression of majoritarian power is wrong, but another is correct (or at least allowable)?


    Fun time side questions, what about for those who are dependent...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    Ummm....



    While I agree that is a very interesting question, it gets off the topic of this thread. Let's say there was a large enough groundswell of people doing that editing for religious or...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    But you allow for the possibility. There doesn't seem to be a limiting principle in your philosophy that would prevent it, right? We would just have to be lucky enough for reality to not have a good...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Only in the same way that showing I could find a married bachelor is a coherent example of how it is possible to discover evidence of contradictions. It is a sufficient rebuttal to someone simply...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    I think you are stretching this chain about as far as it will go and I'm not sure that it gets you really where you want to be. That logic chain demonstrates that it hasn't been shown to be...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    So then a forced dictate by the state might be ok?





    No, of course not. Setting aside that we have smaller brains than other animals so pure size isn't the issue, why is intelligence or...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    I think the heart of the objection here is that premise 1 is unsupported and is not a brute fact. I don't know if such a thing is possible or not. That premise would need to be defended.

    I think...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    Why not? If it was a decision reached through democratic consensus, for example?



    "Inferior" is a subjective term, not an empirical one. If we handle them culturally, ie if we allow us to...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I think so, yeah.
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    This gets into a much larger discussion, but one that is fun to have. A lot of full time physicists (Sean Carroll not included here) seem to dismiss philosophy as irrelevant to their field, but QM...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    I'm not sure they couldn't. Have you read any of Margret Sanger's work? That was exactly what she was trying to do, she wanted to reduce inequality and class distinction by removing those who...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    So far, all I've seen is that you've appealed to the idea of science discovering it rather than detailing why it is the case. Why do you think this is a true statement:"Such a discovery is both...
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