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    Agreed. But then I don't agree that today's society is currently persecuting the entirety of the gay community and therefore there is no valid case to currently pay the gay comm




    I wouldn't...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Then what is one suppose to conclude if there is no evidence that X is true and there is no evidence that X is false?

    What is the non-absurd conclusion to draw?





    True. But I can't say...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    And I'm all for any specific injustice against any specific gay person being rectified..

    And if you ever identify an injustice that was committed by the entire gay population by the entire...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    In the context of the debate, there is no real difference between the two words. If I'm responsible, then I'm culpable. And if I'm not culpable, then it cannot be said that I owe gays any money.
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    No, certain individuals within society are responsible. If all of society is responsible, then I am culpable on some level and you should be able to explain my culpability.

    But you can’t...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Nope. If you are referring to a specific instance of injustice, then we are not talking about those gays who did not suffer that specific injustice. And while that person from 40 years ago who...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    It's not a fact at all. "Gays are bad" is an opinion and society cannot make it fact.

    Even if "gays are bad" is codified into law and everyone in society agreed with it, it would still be opinion...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Yes. But let me be clear that this statement also includes the definition of "evidence" that I am using. If we don't go by that particular definition, then I can't agree with the statement.



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    Re: Gay Reparations

    What "social fact" are you referring to? Are you referring to a general societal attitude that gays are to be opposed? If so, that's not the general societal attitude of this current society. It's...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    What exactly about homophobia is "taken as a social fact"? That it exists?

    To the best of my knowledge it has always existed within societies to some extent. Even gay-friendly societies likely...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    I don't see how the Queen Victoria issue supports that homophobia is a social construct.

    Again, I think homophobia is a subset of xenophobia (fear of what's different) and therefore natural. And...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    So you're saying that it was a social construct before Queen Victoria did whatever it is you are talking about?




    And this supports that it's a social construct how?
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    I didn't argue otherwise. But the issue isn't whether God can walk amongst us but whether you are God. I have supported in my last post, that there is evidence that you are not God.




    And...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    How so?



    So to be clear, you are saying that Queen Victoria made homophobia a social construct. If so, then you concede that prior to Queen Victoria doing that, homophobia was not a social...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Well, that article is about defining the term "homophobia" but it's not about the creation of homophobia (anti-gay sentiment).

    Obviously prior to that era, there were people who didn't like gay...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Claims of prior support is not support.

    In fact, SUPPORT OR RETRACT that homophobia is a social construct. Until you support that argument, it is rejected in this debate.



    Because you say...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    But then going by MY standard of evidence, evidence exists that support that you are a human and not a God and therefore it's more likely that you are not God. And what I mean is that it's a fact...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    I see no reason to agree with that hypothesis. It certainly doesn't correspond to the theory of natural selection that in any way that I'm aware of.

    If natural selection has a bias against a...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    While I agree with your conclusion, I don't think that's accurate.

    If natural selection truly had a bias against homosexuality, homosexuals would not exist today as the trait of some members of...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Well, you're right that I have no argument about social construct because the social construct argument is YOUR argument, not mine.

    But what I do have are rebuttals to your argument regarding...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    You directly argued that if it's not required, then it's not natural.

    "Of course it does since even if said society originated with homophobia it was replaced, meaning it is not required to be...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    It rebuts an argument of yours. So if my response is irrelevant, then your argument is irrelevant as well. So I’ll consider your arguments to be withdrawn from the debate which will render my...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Incorrect on both counts.

    AND AGAIN, Show me the argument that I made that compared homophobia to something natural. And this time, copy and paste the actual text of my argument that you think...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    No, it's yet another misunderstanding of my argument.

    Show me the argument that I made that compared homophobia to something natural. And this time, copy and paste the actual text of my argument...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    I asked you provide the argument, not refer to it with your interpretation (in this case, misinterpretation) of it. So I'll provide it myself. Here's the content of post 153.

    "I supported that...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    SUPPORT OR RETRACT that claim. Please provide the specific argument where I allegedly did that. Do not repeat that claim until you've supported it.
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    No I didn't. It's your misreading of my argument that lead you to that conclusion. Just like you erred on who had the burden of proof regarding whether it's natural or not.
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    When I say "investigate" I mean "collect all available evidence that will support either side of the question."

    So with you, that would mean collecting all available evidence regarding your...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Nope. You were arguing that homophobia is a societal construct because it's not natural.

    Please do a better job of keeping track of your arguments. You should not have to be reminded of why a...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Either way, you have not supported that homophobia is not natural.
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