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  1. Thread: Fake Meat

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    Re: Fake Meat

    When we previously discussed the reason why fake meat is being sold, I brought up the point about how there are more vegetarians who still want to enjoy the hamburger experience, and that food...
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    Re: Why is Pedophilia Categorized as a Disorder?

    No, your argument, per the OP, is that paedophilia is classified as a disorder because of laws but it shouldn't be, which you've failed to support. If you want to make a separate argument, then...
  3. Thread: Fake Meat

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    Re: Fake Meat

    My statement was about how it strains credibility to think that, during the entire time that the Beyond burger was offered at A&W and subsequently sold out, there would be any confusion about the...
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    Re: Why is Pedophilia Categorized as a Disorder?

    The statement you quoted is part of a completely separate area of discussion which has no bearing on how paedophilic disorder is classified.
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    Re: Why is Pedophilia Categorized as a Disorder?

    Actually no, there were studies and scientific opinions available to those making the decision to remove it. What studies can you cite which were justification for it being included?

    Your "point"...
  6. Thread: Fake Meat

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    Re: Fake Meat

    How many is irrelevant, since the point here is that it would be impossible for someone to get tricked into buying fake meat at a restaurant which has it clearly indicated on their menu as a new item...
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    Re: Why is Pedophilia Categorized as a Disorder?

    You've quoted my source as a response to my "no new studies - oh noes!" comments. In what way is this particular quote a response to my point that your "no new studies" parroting of Phil Hickey's...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    No problem, Peter - I find I share the same weakness most of the time, hence the long posts!

    In that case I'll wait for your response so that we can get back on track with the single post-response...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Not really quibbling, just requesting that we stick to "predictions" in order to avoid the unnecessary baggage.

    None of the passages you listed contain sufficiently specific mention of the...
  10. Thread: Fake Meat

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    Re: Fake Meat

    So, I was at my local A&W, and they had a sign on the door saying that, due to the popularity of the Beyond Meat burgers they had recently introduced, they were out of stock.
    I guess all those...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    You clearly still don't understand the null hypothesis. It is the default position. It doesn't "hold" anything, or claim anything. So again, for a claim like "x is rationally justified", the null...
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    Re: Why is Pedophilia Categorized as a Disorder?

    Again, "how it got removed" is through a process of discussion, where numerous viewpoints as well as the studies were considered to reach the decision.

    Again, my source provides the facts about...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    So, regarding the null hypothesis, you and I hold differing opinions:
    FB: The null hypothesis, or more accurately, the principles of logic and skepticism behind it do apply in general to the...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Rationalize it how you want - I've repeatedly explained my position, pointed out the errors in your arguments with regard to the null hypothesis, as well as the numerous misrepresentations of my...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Nor did I say you do. The criteria applies to the principle of proportionality, which you've already agreed is valid.
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    FedEx is what has been demonstrated to exist, and people going to FedEx is...
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    Re: Why is Pedophilia Categorized as a Disorder?

    Again, your agreement with evensaul and phrasing of how it took place makes it pretty clear:
    Evensaul: "APA has folded to activism when the heat became too great."
    LK: "When an organization changes...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Wrong. My stated criteria is "a claim involving something which has or has not been demonstrated to exist". You've already granted this as valid.

    Wrong. You are yet again mixing up different...
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    Re: Why is Pedophilia Categorized as a Disorder?

    This is missing the original point, which was that the reason behind the change wasn't just because of public pressure. There were indeed multiple earlier studies (p. 10-11 here) prior to the change...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Huh? It pertains to your claim because it involves something which has been demonstrated to exist: FedEx.
    You said so yourself, even: "So it's like my Fed Ex claim in that it corresponds to known...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    You already identified the line, and with minimal guidance, might I add: a claim involving something which has or has not been demonstrated to exist. I have to say, this penchant of some ODNers for...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    So a claim involving something which has not been demonstrated to exist is subject to stricter requirements for justification. This is one of the concepts behind the principle of proportionality,...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I couldn't tell you, since I have not used the term "justifiable", and wouldn't want to confuse it with the OP's terminology of whether a theistic belief is "rationally justified". I guess...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    So far so good.
    Now, if instead I told you that I had a pet dragon named Sparky, would you believe me? Why/Why not?
    What accounts for the difference in the believability you'd ascribe to both...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Which is what I'm trying to explain to you:
    If I told you I had a pet dog named Sparky, would you believe me? Why/Why not?
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, let's refrain from using the word "prophecy", as this carries too much baggage. They're predictions, and tenuous ones at best.

    First of all, you'd have to provide the specific passages to...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    It would be best if you simply addressed the issues I pointed out rather than making petty ad hominems.
    Bottom line: None of the arguments you've presented necessarily support the specific Xtian...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Question: If I told you that yesterday my pet dog learned a new trick, would you believe me? Why or why not?

    Your language explicitly stated the standards, the proof, and the reasoning behind why...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Certain examples have been discussed, such as consistency and proportionality (post 31).

    This "demand your attention and call upon you" is the sticking point for me. I just don't see any...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    The standards we utilize every day in all other things are pretty clear, and I've referred to them multiple times throughout the thread. If you have some theistic beliefs which you believe are...
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    Re: Religious Test for the Supreme Court

    You asked for experience, and I'm providing you with it. Are you claiming that I'm lying, or that the people I've spoken with are lying? For what purpose? Do you honestly doubt that there are tests...
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