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    Re: Who is Bruce Ohr?

    While I am still waiting on the news cycle that digests what has been declassified, I'm just not sure I see the negative spin on pointing out the obvious motivation of a desire to clear ones self. ...
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    Re: Who is Bruce Ohr?

    @sig.. have you seen the Simpsons play on the old twilight zone episode "to serve man". I the twilight zone aliens came and offered man everything prosperous as well as trips to outerspace. It turned...
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    Re: Who is Bruce Ohr?

    You should prophesy more often.

    --- Trump decliassifies a bunch of stuff/ text and the fisa warrant. ...
  4. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I think the analogy was a demonstration that there can be other considerations, not that it represents the ultimate considerations.
    So the analogy seems to be pretty good.
  5. Re: Obama speech at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign

    there is a lot to read here.. Exactly what part is interesting?
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    So, yea there is a bit of the confusion because our laws and the application of them in general suck. Which is why things in that situation stink so much. Now we can move on to the second sin....
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    @ sig.. most relevant text from the first link (I didn't read it all yet)

    (bold mine for emphasis)

    on the other hand it says this


    Basically, very recently they tried to prosecute...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    I do. I think it is a powerful argument to say that the sighted law simply doesn't apply.


    This is my only reservation with that.
    You are the only person I have ever heard make this point. Not...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    That is very good.
    I wonder if the courts have made a distinction between "secrets of the state" and "military secrets of the state".
    I assume it is marked classified more a "military" reason to...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    Support please. I have never heard this.


    I am pretty sure the "knowingly removed" is the part where she had a private server for state buisnes. She knew, or ought to have known that she would...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    How do you know it is someone relevant?

    p.s. The editor had to do background check to find out who the person was. There can be as many as 700 "senior administration officials" depending on how...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    @ cowboy, why there is no need to discredit the story.. it is just gossip not gospel. It would be real news if the source was someone relevant.. like the VP. No one should care what the disgruntled...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    Yay.. more from the gossip columns passing as news.
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    Re: Who is Bruce Ohr?

    I think other biased sources can be very educational and put into perspective other biases sources.
    I mean, if group A has only the positive reported and Group B has only the negative reported...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    Yea, I think so.

    Also I think you are correct about the support as well, that is what I was referring to.

    As noted before, this instance is not like the example given.
    Steel is not an...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    @ cowboy, yes and as it stands it doesn't fit. So the "new" argumentation needs to come from the other side. It has been covered but it didn't break your way.
  17. Re: Mind Trapped by: Major News outlets are now propaganda agents

    Your probably just parroting your brain washing by cyborg aliens from planet X, or the media, or your mom, or your school of education. Take your pick.
    And I think you smell bad, But adhoms get us...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    Two things, first the "gossip" term. Hearsay is the same thing as Gossip. They are synonymous in meaning,
    The central idea is that it is unvarified and from a secondary source, and thus of...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    @ snack, yes and the same source says that the court have inherent problems.. which is my point. Sure he is avoiding the " rubber stamp" naming.. but that is just avoiding a term. But I suppose if...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    I thought that was a given in this thread.... wasn't it?

    I don't remember.

    The link was talking about the two fold problem of the court,
    1) that it is secret
    2) that it is not adversarial...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    From what we have it does not, that none of it has been corroborated is another. I didn't appeal to my personal authority on the matter, I am appealing to the definition you linked to, and the...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    It is just a little perspective on it. Also, it is not like the dossier was super predictive, IE it was not really classified info that Russia was going to sell that amount.

    One more thing. If...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    Not really. It is CLAIMED that three sources confirmed the story. You only have one source. The dossier. Further, the people being pointed to are not all talking about the same thing. IE none of them...
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    @ snack, no not focused on it. Just making my point about the nature of the document. Further, YOU may not be saying it.. but the dossier does make the accusation. It isn't simply noting that it...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    I don't think this makes much sense given what you were responding too.



    The point is, the Dossier is an attempt to collect dirt on Trump, but contains things that are not a crime by trump. ...
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    Re: 3-D Printing Guns

    So you changed my point of moving to the right CITY to a discussion of counties? That would be a straw-man.
    Good job.



    I was the one who brought it up, pointing out that areas that are the...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    - in regards to hear say as basis for a warrant. The kind of hear say sited is Bob tells police that he heard so and so say x. It is not clear to me that is what happened here. Further there is...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    @ sig. I wasn't talking about the spying to get the info in the dossier. I am talking about what the dossier is talking about. In other words, if a claim about Trump is ultimately a legal action by...
  29. Mind Trapped by: Major News outlets are now propaganda agents

    Major news outlets are now degrading into the worst versions of themselves. Specifically that they have become peddlers in personal opinions and agendas, and rely on spreading Gossip over reporting...
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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    I would like to see support for that. It would change my opinion of the warrant issue.


    Spreading Gossip doesn't require one to lie.
    "I heard Betty say she, was talking to bobby, and bobby...
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