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    Re: SGT Bowe Bergdahl exchange

    There has been an update to this story a bit:

    SGT Bergdahl has pled guilty to desertion and misbehavior before the enemy. ...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    If I could make a small suggestion? It seems as if both parties (myself included) are unclear on what the actual argument at play here is. Future, would you be willing to restate your premises and...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    This is just a simple appeal to emotion and bare assertion fallacy. Ignoring the context of a word is simply shallow thinking, not an argument. Simply saying it is an abomination doesn't really...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I think there might be a bit of break down around the assumptions each has about the nature of this discussion. I think that Hyde is treating the subject as if it was a given assumption for the...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    There are two important points to note here.

    1) Literally everyone active in this thread has been willing to use your "allow" substitution for "mandate" for the purposes of getting you back on...
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    Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    Excellent! Looks like we are all in agreement then. Even, are you happy?
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    Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    You missed half that post. Given that they were, in fact, arrested and charged, do you then agree with Even that Antifa supporters should be arrested and charged?
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    Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    Ahh, so then you aren't arguing that the Bundy's actually are domestic terrorists then? Only that Even should also agree that the Bundy's should have been arrested and charged?

    They were, and...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I tend to agree with Mican and Belthazor here. While I think the dictionary is relatively clear and that if we were to consult an English Professor at a University they would clearly settle this...
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    Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    And? If someone pleads guilty there is no trial either, but they are found to be guilty. Bill Clinton plead guilty, right?




    Appeal to Authority Fallacy. The unnamed History.com Staff...
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    Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    And? Are you disagreeing with what the term "acquitted" means?



    You'll need to support that in our legal system being charged with a crime means you are guilty of it. Simply being charged with...
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    Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    Well, actually that is what the word acquitted means. But I assume you mean that in a more objective sense, IE what would we say if we had perfect knowledge?

    Regardless, they were charged as you...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    My pleasure, you've offered some positions I hadn't considered and am glad you entered the thread.



    I think this is a variant of the problem of evil. If God is good, why do we see evil or...
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    I wanted to point out that I shared the exact same concern Galendir has. There is a hedge that Apok was willing to grant me. I downloaded many of my threads just so I would have the specific...
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    Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    No, though as the article notes, these conspiracy charges are often used intentionally by DOJ in domestic terrorism trials.



    Well given that conviction is the adjudication of the charges that...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I meant no disrespect, the point I initially responded to was a fundamental premise, so tackling it alone made more sense, imo, than addressing points that later would change if this premise was in...
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    Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    Just a factual insertion, this trial had the same charges used against other Domestic Terrorists including a few ecoterrorists. The Jury returned a Not Guity verdict on 6 counts.
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    Re: Sigh ...

    This really does clarify what you are attempting to get across. I believe you are using the word "mandate" in a non-standard way (more on that in a second), which also explains why you have...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Let's start here because this is where the moral question lies. You are a soldier, you've just defeated an enemy army and come upon a village with a young girl whose father and brothers are now...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I understand, thank you for letting me know.



    Sure. 2 is the better explanation I think to what you are asking.

    1) The simplist explanation is that it is claim the OP added without...
  21. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    To add to the evidentiary support for this OP, a couple of new studies have come out over the last few months that are relatively novel, one because it was the official government study with...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    This response, and the one below it are simply “nu-uh” claims. Simply reasserting a claim and ignoring the rebuttal doesn’t constitute a response. Do you have any relevant data to add?


    You...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    So any number of people coming together and dealing with morality outside of a religious system constitutes our shared moral system? So when NAMBLA came together and discussed and concluded that...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Not exactly. I said that under a Deontological ethics system there would likely be a rule like "don't lie." Breaking that rule would generally be an immoral act.

    There would also likely be a...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Not exactly, I was saying that a deontologist or someone who holds a deontological moral code (IE rules not outcome based) would hold that lying is wrong (the rule). As is letting a murderer murder...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Well, I would imagine that Deontologists would agree that the action is not morally problematic because of the circumstances, but that that doesn't make the underlying action moral. And all of this...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    That's exactly the point. The immoral act of lying (I think we can all agree that lying isn't morally neutral) leads to moral result, because it is the least immoral act available to you in that...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I want to start off exploring more about what you mean when you say there is a “secular moral code” and how you know what that code is. You indicated that you knew that “we” (who exactly do you mean...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    First, let me applaud your improved use of hermeneutics. However, you’ve made a slight error here. The original text is in Hebrew, not Greek. Translating from Greek, an indo-european language into...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I would suggest you need to apply more rigorous hermeneutics to your readings. The Verses mentioned allow for lifetime ownership, they do not mandate it. Hence the term “May.” May means a...
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