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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Awesome. I guess I'll just be on my merry way then.
  2. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    I don't keep a catalogue of things like that. My view has been that apparently some sins are worse than others (there's some verses on that, can't recall where though at the moment) but Jesus tells...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    All I was asking was if you agreed that your OP was flawed. It appears you agree that it was, but I want to make sure. All I was asking, literally all, was yes you do agree, or no you don't agree...
  4. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    I'm not sure I believe that interpretation (regarding Peter). But an important aspect of the NT is not "white-washing" character flaws. There's a reference of John (called the apostle of love)...
  5. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    By all means, if there's a contention there, don't hold back. If you feel like we'll get stuck, we can shoot that into a separate discussion focus on the original sin topic as its own topic, and...
  6. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    I can't believe I forgot about that. Okay, so we have this point in the early church where the believers are coming together and sharing EVERYTHING. Food, clothes, shelter, finances, etc. Acts...
  7. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    Does it? I don't recall anywhere off the top of my head where it talks about Christians being punished for sin. I know Stephen was stoned to death, but that wasn't for sin, that was martyrdom. It...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    ....and we're back to square one. Seriously. Here's a portion of our latest exchange:

    Future: I conceded that there was no reason from the OP to believe that slavery is immoral.
    Hyde: So you...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Well it does build character. ;)
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Okay, for clarity sake, are the following true:

    You and I agree that the OP's original conclusion does not logically follow from its premises? If yes, then I'm willing to consider that a...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I actually don't have a different view than Squatch on the subject. If I've given that impression, then that's my fault. However, if you're ONLY discussing slavery as spoils of war, then you're...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I can see the sarcasm, but if I may, let me ask you question now. You're Hittite living in Israel (a foreigner). There's a local famine that destroys your crops leaving you without food, or any...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Because you insist it's immoral without providing a definition when challenged to do so and for some reason also seem to have a problem retracting the claim. Which means you're actually breaking the...
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    Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    I believe he's referring to a separate "Johnson" related impeachment.

    Would you be willing to agree that illegal search and seizures by police --which is an unlawful use of force in the futherance...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Here's the problem, Future. Your definition (quoting post#1 here) of slavery in this thread is, "owning a person as property". There is nothing inherently moral or immoral about that. If I own a...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Whether I believe that slavery is immoral or not is 100% irrelevant to the topic at hand because we aren't discussing my personal beliefs. We're discussing your OP which, again, states that because...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Future, we are not going to be able to get anywhere here unless you provide a rationale for why owning people is morally wrong. If you cannot do that, then there is literally ZERO reason for anyone...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I was actually operating under the impression that everyone was treating the topic as though it had been extended to the present.


    That's not really how it would've happened. Female and male...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    To answer the first question, it's a simple debate structure. Think of a claim as a house. Future introduces the claim and, following the analogy, therefore has to build the house. My job is to...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    That's not what I'm suggesting. My position here isn't that slavery is moral. In a debate if I make a claim, your opposition to that claim doesn't mean that you support the opposite view, IE, if I...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    For 1:

    While Leviticus 25 speaks to owning non-Hebrew slaves potentially permanently (they had the option to free them), there were still restrictions regarding treatment of non-hebrews. ...
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    Re: Christianity is a conspiracy

    Pretty easily, actually. The kid had parents. Were his parents neglectful and ignored his pain, or ignored his hatred for something that, prior to the event, he had no hatred for? Did he later in...
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    Re: Christianity is a conspiracy

    I start by not using what happened to him when he was a child as a free pass for him. Then I look at the facts as presented. Was he unsaved at the time of death? Yes. Does scripture say that such...
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    Re: Christianity is a conspiracy

    I'll concede I was misunderstanding your posts and this whoooole conversation. And we'll get back to the topic at hand.

    Point conceded and fallacy charge withdrawn.

    AH, the meat of the matter....
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    Re: Christianity is a conspiracy

    And I'm pointing out that the definition of justice you're using seems to be one and the same as Future's, which isn't justice so much as it is revenge.
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    Re: Christianity is a conspiracy

    Well, now we still have to define what justice means in the context we're talking about here. Future said it was, "the process or result of using laws to fairly judge and punish crimes and...
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    Re: Christianity is a conspiracy

    Then you worded your prior post in the most piss poor fashion imaginable. I've gone back and reread it and it still reads exactly the same to me. Which means we're talking in circles here. Because...
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    Re: Christianity is a conspiracy

    I'll take that at face value. You insist you were responding to MT and that's fine. Let's look at what you were responding to:

    MT's 1st post in the thread.


    That brings up a good point, what...
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    Re: Christianity is a conspiracy

    I didn't say it was a straw man argument, only that you were constructing one. I'll break it down and show you how.

    Future: X is devoid of justice because of forgiveness.
    Hyde: How does...
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    Re: Favorite Video Games

    I'm gonna go ahead and lay out a LOT on the game here in regards to those things because there's reasons for it. As far as the health bar goes, a human effigy should restore what you lose from...
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