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  1. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    Define importance... these groups are important enough to be monitored in order to prevent them from hurting themselves and others. I have in this thread, already acknowledged that there is ample...
  2. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    I'm willing to accept this for the sake of argument. But there is no reason to give a fringe of the population more importance then it has.
    The fact remains, people are engaged in the political...
  3. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    Sure, I buy that perfectly. That is reality.

    However, the third possibility I alluded did not seek to describe reality, but rather to reconcile SG's position with reality. That's different.
    He...
  4. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    It seems SG, you think that one of the effect of the shutdown crisis is a fast approaching revolution in which far right elements will rebel violently against the state. Not only that, you seem to...
  5. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    There is a problem when that opinion is laced with hatred and violent fantasies of genocide. It's also a problem and when "opinion" is code for "I can state whatever I want without need to support...
  6. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    That would be fine if you had not made an OP asking, "shooting your foot off, bad in what way?"
    And would have been even better if you had not tried to put a positive spin on why having a foot shot...
  7. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    Please point me to a reliable source of Tea Party view point that shows to movement other then what I showed?

    It's perfectly reasonnable to expect someone to not say if they have violent or...
  8. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    What can be said, and there is ample evidence for it, is that there is enough right wing anger to prompt domestic terrorism. This is well identified and taken seriously. I grant you that much...
  9. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    Yes, that is all you know, and it's precisely what I alluded to... it pertains to your entourage and you have no clue beyond that.
    You expect we should take your word for it?
  10. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    And it's just that, I have no idea if it's a true example: I only created it for it's illustrative qualities.



    Boom indeed! it's a very inefficient way to "learn". To answer your question in...
  11. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    Such a battle would never occur before the internal battle among conservative takes place first. It's just a matter of time before moderate, pro-business conservative take back the control of the...
  12. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    I don't contest that, I even acknowledge that continuous re-evaluation should occur.... I contest that the shutdown provided insights and especially that workers should justify their jobs before...
  13. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    It would be... if the purpose of those non-essential workers was to make the world turn, but it's not. Example: If a biologist work for the gov, is to measure, analyse and report on the quality of...
  14. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    I already nailed MT on this, to the effect it's confusing the predicted effect of the shutdown and default... he conceded, and you would not be able to do better. No one predicted then end of the...
  15. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    Perfect... Elected officials voted that not only they deserve their jobs, but they added also they deserve to be paid during the shutdown... unanimously! So it pretty much settles the matter.
  16. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    The difference between you (the generic tax payer) and a boss in the civilian world, is that your not competent to asses the usefulness of someone's work. Saying otherwise is a travesty of what...
  17. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    It would be mean spirited of me to propose and hope for you to be furloughed of your current job without a pay until such time you can justify your own job. It would add an ironic twist to propose...
  18. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    No, the OP goes much further simply re-evaluate the way we interact with gov.

    It asks "should each non-essential worker/department be forced to justify it's existence before being brought back?"...
  19. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    What I find troubling, is that the current proposal on the table, if Republican's accepts it, is to fund the Gov at sequestration level. Do you know what this means? Democrats already agree to...
  20. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    While I appreciate your retraction, I still push back with the same intensity against your logical gymnastics. You've gone from saying it was predicted the sky would fall, to saying it was predicted...
  21. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    I actually love the Tea Party and how it's wreaking havoc in the Republican Party. They are very real people with real views and with a little luck, they just might damage the Republican brand so...
  22. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    As I stated before, raising the debt cealing is to pay for what was already approved by Congress. Obamacare was voted into law by Congress.
    You refuse to acknowledge it. You say no.
  23. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    Alas Someguy, if only the debate was about budget, but it's not, Republican's are tying increasing the Federal debt limit unless there are changes in health care policy and proposing changes that...
  24. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    Uhg, I know it's to raise the amount it can borrow... but it's borrowing to pay for what was already approved in the past and you deny that. It's staggering. I have nothing else to add on the...
  25. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    No? NO???

    Why no? when in reality it's both! It's paying for expenditures already approved by raising the accumulation of debt. Both are true for heaven's sake. You say NO??? You can't...
  26. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    We are going by my definition of course, since I never meant to say extortion literally.

    The difference between what I contend to be the ransom for Republican's and what you contend to be the...
  27. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    Sorry but no...

    Republican's are trying to extract (Extort) concessions out of Democrats on Obamacare... I say extort, because they don't have the votes to get their way without resorting to...
  28. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    What is the object of the extortion Democrats are trying to impose?
  29. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    I challenge you to support your claim below



    Because if you cannot support your own claim, there is no reason to conclude that:



    It's plain and simple you messed up: The effects are...
  30. Re: Mind Trapped By: Gov shut down, bad in what way?

    This suggestion crumbles under it's own weight. For non-essential worker/department to justify their existence means that they would need to write some kind of business case for themselves, which...
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