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  1. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    Then how is it you can say that in some circumstances it would be moral but in others immoral? If you cannot imagine any circumstance where it is moral, then how do you determine it could be?


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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    That was also my understanding of his argument. And that would be a legal argument rather than an ethical one so I gave him a legal argument back.
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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    I'm with you Mican. We've argued about both the is and ought but Bel kind of dances back and forth between the two concepts freely and thus so do my responses.

    It may be partly because I...
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    Re: Boys Can Have Periods Too!

    I respect your approach, but, I've found that there are times when speaking the language spoken to you can achieve something that being polite cant.
    1. You can show some cultural affinity
    2. You...
  5. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    Under what circumstances would it be moral for a woman to kill a man to prevent being raped?



    What is the distinction here? If it is just some specific circumstance, what are the...
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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    Absolutely. It is a well-established fact.



    You could tell me to stand up without using my legs but it would be a foolish request. The supreme court is the final arbiter of what the...
  7. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    OK, Two questions...
    1. I got the impression life was a greater moral value than liberty in your view. If so, why is it ok to kill someone to preserve yourself from rape?

    2. What is a...
  8. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    Criminal law generally is a moral judgment, at least in most societies. I think I mentioned in the other thread it is good to make legal/moral distinctions sometimes. So...
    Legally: Murder is an...
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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    Nowhere. Nor does it speak to the rights of dogs or cats, nor to computers or turnbuckles. Nor does it delineate the rights of humans.

    The language used in the bill of rights is "people" or...
  10. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    Is this your position? It's not mine. I'm simply arguing that the fact is, emotions have causes and are not random, contrary to your claim that they can change for no reason.



    Sorry, these...
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    Re: Politcal Correctness

    Here is my take on Progressives using somewhat absolutist terms.

    Progressives think that you can always do better, and you achieve that through coordinated action and cooperation. If you see a...
  12. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    Well, this thread isn't about abortion, its about the nature of morality. I am using abortion as an example to illustrate an idea. The idea is that when you look at morality critically, you find that...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I was wondering how the heck I got into this conversation! :P

    Just a quoting thing I see. But ya I agree, God totally subverted free will. Furthermore, he did it so he could show how mighty...
  14. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    No. Look, one problem I have with debating you is you are often rather imprecise with your language. Small differences can convey a lot of meaning.

    Emotion is a basis for a decision to kill...
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    Re: Politcal Correctness

    I think that is a pretty good breakdown.

    I disagree a little in that I think PC is largely a left phenomenon. The right has some similar tropes but nothing quite the same.

    I don't think the...
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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    You are looking to show contradictions in the law. But, you are dealing with state laws (which are different in nearly every state) and federal law which overrides state law when the two are in...
  17. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    Side Notes



    It's a good thing I didn't ask that question then.



    I think you misunderstand. The basis of something is not to say that it is the only thing it is composed of. It is to say...
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    Re: Boys Can Have Periods Too!

    A cis-girl is just a girl and there is nothing wrong with that.



    It really is.



    How many trans people can you count among your friends and associates? If the answer is more than zero,...
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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    Yes, it was mentioned in the majority decision. Texas claimed they were legal persons, the supreme court rejected this claim. Find a copy of it and do a text search to find the exact quotation and...
  20. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    Main Discussion



    This is a lot better. I can understand it and it is a direct statement that addresses the question at least a little. Thanks!

    OK, so you think morality is subjective. Great,...
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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    Neither. It comes from the fact that the fetus is not a legal person. That doesn't mean they are not human. A corporation is a legal person, its not a human being.



    You are both legal...
  22. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    Side Notes/discussion



    Honestly, I don't know why you think I have a "Knot in my panties" or even what you mean by that.

    Main Discussion
    I did answer directly in post #4 (my first post...
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    Re: Boys Can Have Periods Too!

    Always.



    That is usually my #1 goal in a discussion.



    A Trans-boy was born as a girl but decided to live as a boy. If they want to live as a boy, I'm happy to treat them as a boy, but...
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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    Yes, it's at least partly in the Roe v Wade decision. Unborn children are not legal persons under the eyes of the constitution.

    That doesn't mean the government can't have an interest in...
  25. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    Side Notes/discussion



    I think subjective is a more accurate description.

    Consider something like fear of foreigners. It is not arbitrary, it applies to people with some defined traits. It...
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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    Sounds good. Ya I think what we may need to do is kind of re-draw the lines of argument here. Summarize what you think are the relevant points on any given side.

    There are perhaps three areas at...
  27. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazor

    We can come back to that later.



    No, that's not my intent, at least not directly. I just presume that if you think morality based on feelings is arbitrary, then you have some other standard for...
  28. Re: Objective Morality with Sigfreid and Belthazar

    Cool, Thanks Squatch. You can nuke the other one I made. I thought you'd deleted this one.
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    Re: Infanticide and Late Term Abortion

    Who said it was needless? People always have needs.



    Body autonomy is the right to choose what to do with your body. The right to life is not the same thing.



    No, it contains my DNA, it...
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    Re: Boys Can Have Periods Too!

    A fish doesn't fit well into the net when they flip around, struggle and make a fuss. They fit just fine when they accept it. :)

    Which is to say, it's not confusing if you bother to try and...
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