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    Re: Should the US have a Secure Border?

    @ mican. It seems to me that crops erradication works here. As most of the drugs are imported. If you are talking about the kind of crop irradicationn that took place in the past there, I don't...
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    Re: Should the US have a Secure Border?

    Well it isn't 10k illegal imagrants, and I am all for legalizing drugs as an answer to that. But that isn't what I am talking about.. unless that is the only reason they come. Finally to say the the...
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    Re: Should the US have a Secure Border?

    I don't think that addresses my point at all. I mean, I get that there are reasons to not invade, I'm just saying that the stronger the argument is used that they are escaping from a hell hole to the...
  4. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Their specific belief here is that God exists. Given your assumptions this gives the form a 90% accuracy rate vs the 33 you are trying to use.
    My point is that your being arbitrary.


    you are...
  5. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    -partial answer for .. time permitting--


    I am not using "authority" in the sense that one is in charge or in control of another.
    Just so we are on the same page.


    This is an arbitrary...
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    Re: Democrats are More Extreme than Republicans

    @ ibelsd.. so I don't really accept the chats argument...or weather am not concerned about it. I am much more interested in the contrast you have drawn. To me the Sanders pick is the only relevant...
  7. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I think we are using "authority" different here?


    You will have to support that it is "clearly" not a reliable pathway to truth. It seems to me that in regards to things like history authorities...
  8. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    "Someone who believes for insufficient reasons."
    I object that this applies to Christian's as a group, specifically that the reasons are insufficient.
    "Vague arguments that don't justify."
    I...
  9. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Responding from my phone... So no quoting for now. I was referencing your post 455. What you say in post 455 doesn't follow logically from the two posts that come before it.
  10. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    First, I am giving you the curtisy of answering your questions. I hope to be offered the same when I ask you one.
    Second, what you are saying is not a repeat of your question and doesn't follow...
  11. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Yes, everyone has such beliefs and hold then their entire lives.

    Question.. are you making a case for something, or playing 21 questions?
  12. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Insufficient reasons are insufficient. The rest of your description is imaginary projection on no one specific.

    That such Christian's do exist is not relevant, unless you are arguing that it is...
  13. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I am saying that believing for insufficient reasons.. is insufficient. As I said it is a truism. I do not agree that you have established any support from that christians fall in that category or any...
  14. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    actually it is the point. because the second part is a truism.


    This is the relevant part IE the "such a foundation".


    "for insufficient reasons" is sort of the definition of irrational. ...
  15. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I did address it. There is no reason to accept it.

    For example...

    Why should I accept that? It doesn't appear to be true at all.


    Yes, I am. I still think America is the greatest country...
  16. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Here is the quote again.

    Given the context of the discussion you had with squatch, it appears you are referring to the very initial basis for various beliefs in truth claims.

    Let me know if I...
  17. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    One has been discussed here... Namely that God exists. Squatch has offered several substantive responses.


    But your demanding that people use the original reason, and that demand is not...
  18. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    You don't really realize it, but your doing a bit of shifting here.



    The OP refers to ALL claims. The problem is you appear to be pigeon holing all paths to christian beliefs. Specifically...
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    Re: Should the US have a Secure Border?

    The most outrageous thing happening on the border, which in my opinion best exemplifies the gov failure to do it's most basic and fundamental job, is that drug cartells and gangs of Mexico are on...
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    Re: Democrats are More Extreme than Republicans

    Well, I forwarded a definition of extreme, as you asked for. I understand if you don't want to discuss it.

    If you are at a loss as to how to respond, a few suggestions would be.
    1) Express your...
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    Re: Democrats are More Extreme than Republicans

    @ Dio.. it is fair to say that we need to define extreme, but we are not historically a central nation on the spectrum. The extremes are tryanny and anarchy. To which the nation is well off center...
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    Re: Democrats are More Extreme than Republicans

    Haven't followed the whole thread, but it does seem to me that Bernie sanders is significantly more a shift to the left, then Donald is to the right.
    So at least on some level I think a large shift...
  23. Re: Protected Classes: Expand, Reduce or Maintain?

    Seems like your argument would apply here.
    IE "if that is what the people deem as moral/immoral, then they can use the gov to make rules accordingly".
    I think that is all Even is appealing to, a...
  24. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Future. The statement only makes sense, if you are not conflating terms. Infinity is not a number and as can not be reached by using numbers. Any more than you can to x. When x is undefined.
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    I am addressing your claim that you can count to infinity.
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    Counting to, is a phrase that references an end point. Like you drive to the store. You count to 10. In order for the phrase to be true, you must be able to complete or finish the jurney to whatever...
  27. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    One can not complete an unending task. Counting to infinity is nonsense, because infinity is not an end point to be reached.
  28. Re: Protected Classes: Expand, Reduce or Maintain?

    you have to offer reasons to accept your premises. I was just trying to explain how far apart we are on the topic.

    You say "if.. then such and such".
    But I'm rejecting your "if's", because I...
  29. Re: Protected Classes: Expand, Reduce or Maintain?

    Sorry to all for delayed response. been working like crazy.


    Basically I don't accept any of your premises, and don't see any evidence of that in the founding of our country.
    your talking your...
  30. Re: Protected Classes: Expand, Reduce or Maintain?

    No, rights are deemed as "self evident", not a product of general consensus.


    I am addressing your argument directly.


    Where we get the moral edict is not relevant, and society...
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