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    Re: The Steele Dossier

    Just putting out this update since noone else seems to have noticed. It comes from the Hill and so is probably relatively reliable, though it is in the opinion section:


    But lest anyone be...
  2. Re: Republicans Refuse to Defend Us Against Foreign Attacks

    Apologies. Given that the plain text reading of my statement was not what you inferred, I had assumed that you had interpreted it ito suit yourself. Apparently you didn't understand what was being...
  3. Re: Republicans Refuse to Defend Us Against Foreign Attacks

    No, this is a bad faith reading of my point. Because Cybercommand didn't exist as a combatant command does not mean a) it didn't exist and/or b) that the tools to engage in those actions didn't...
  4. Re: Republicans Refuse to Defend Us Against Foreign Attacks

    This has two separate points. One is that the two sentences are materially different. That doesn't appear to be the case. The essence of the claim remains the same; President Trump granted more...
  5. Re: Republicans Refuse to Defend Us Against Foreign Attacks

    I did, please read the rest of the post.
  6. Re: Republicans Refuse to Defend Us Against Foreign Attacks

    Gents, "I won" is not substantive to the thread. Please ensure your posts positively contribute to moving the discussion forward.



    Uggh, as someone who actually understands the policies and...
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    Re: Who is my neighbor?

    When you say "his own" do you mean the standard Oxford english dictionary (https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/free_will) definition for the term? IE the widely accepted meaning of the term that is...
  8. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Well to continue the analogy, it would be like like me insisting that my goals count for 5 and yours count for 2 and you agreeing to that scoring metric. Then the ref saying "no, you aren't allowed...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    Fair enough, just a bit of playful fun.


    No, they aren't.

    Its this poor understanding of language which has caused all the uproar over the Citizens United case. Corporations are persons...
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    Re: "Rigged" election?

    Any insight into why multiple supreme courts have disagreed with you? I mean we've had additional questions on every single census since we wrote the Constitution, right? So how has no one felt...
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    Re: "Rigged" election?

    So is it your contention that every census since the first one in 1790 has been unconstitutional then? They all asked additional questions after all (and most, if not all, had a citizenship or...
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    Re: 75 Ways Socialism Has Improved America

    http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q112/jzorns/Trash%20Talking/threadnecromancyns1nf0.jpg



    Hmm, that is a pretty broad definition I think. I could fit Amazon into that definition since their...
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    Re: "Rigged" election?

    Two questions then. We know that almost any additional question would lower response rate (that is pretty common in public polling, longer poll questions don't get many respondents), so does that...
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    Re: "Rigged" election?

    But this census is still going out to everyone right? They aren't proposing that it won't go to non-citizens or that non-citizens won't be counted in assigning representation. So I'm not sure why...
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    Re: "Rigged" election?

    Fantastic. Now, can you tie that language to your argument that the current census violates that text?
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    Re: "Rigged" election?

    It would be. But you never directly cited the Constitution, you just incidentally referenced it. It would seem reasonable for you to post the specific clause you mean and detail why you think this...
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    Re: "Rigged" election?

    Unless you are using a definition of that term (primary documents) that I'm unaware of, I'd have to push back on this. Where, specifically did you refer to a primary document?
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    Re: "Rigged" election?

    Let's keep the conversation civil please and focus on debating the subject, not the person.



    In an attempt to move the discussion along before this degenerates further, I'll note two things. ...
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    Re: The Mueller Report

    Just wanted to add a slight clarification. Cowboy opened this thread in the Clubhouse, so the usual support rules don't apply.
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Well then I’m glad we went down the rabbit hole a bit because we’ve been able to clarify the disagreement a bit. We can set the whole concept of evolution aside a bit here and discuss more your...
  21. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    This would seem to concede that the one blocking the person from getting a job is the government.

    I also have to obtain a permit to speak in a public park in most places. Does that mean that...
  22. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    This doesn't seem to represent the analogy. I have agreed to participate. I have agreed to pay Ibelsd X dollars. He has agreed to perform services. The only non-agreement on this deal is the...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I moved this section to the top because I think it supersedes the next two quotes (feel free to ignore them since I think you are correct that they are moot in this conversation). You are correct...
  24. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    I'm not sure where you got that idea. I'm saying that Ibelsd and I have an agreement for him to do a certain job for a rate we both agree on. The only reason that deal isn't made is that someone...
  25. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Well the effect is what is important here. It isn't the motivations that matter much when we are looking at inner-city poverty rates, its the actual cause of those poverty rates.

    And I'm not sure...
  26. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Ibelsd's response is correct. Intent isn't relevant because the comparison is about effect, not intent. Both policies have the same effect because they rely on the same mechanism, a barrier to...
  27. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    No need of course. At this point I've been talking to him for something like 550 posts, that has to bear some insight into his position I would hope. Nor would I expect you to have waded through...
  28. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    I'm not sure this is quite representative of the thread. The opening post was a practice run for an argument I use in my circle of more progressive friends quite a bit, and do so quite successfully....
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    1 however doesnít really make sense from a process point of view. The asteroid is external to any biological process involved with evolution that Iíve heard of. Letís use an example. Beavers have...
  30. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Great point. It is somewhat akin to Thomas Sowell's "There are no solutions in life, only tradeoffs" or Friedman's "There is no such thing as a free lunch." I think that that has been the tack I've...
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