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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    It still comes down to, if the parameters were different, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Big stretch to say the ONLY reason the universe has the qualities it has is because of purposeful...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    Well, in the Op Mican also said:
    "And btw, if you (whoever you are) are using a different definition of "supernatural" in your arguments, feel free to argue for that definition."

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    Re: Supernatural?

    Science does NOT "understand" gravity! Not a very useful definition.

    A ghost, as I understand it, is a "human soul" that has left it's physical body. Nothing supernatural about that at all...???
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Sorry if I missed it.
    You sound like you need a snickers
    ("Marcia, Marcia, Marcia!!!")

    I certainly do not want to waste your time

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    Re: Supernatural?

    Can anyone tell me what would be supernatural about a ghost?
    Assuming they exist, it seems fairly natural to me???
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Agreed, IF an objective moral truth exists.

    Now if we just had an example of an "objective moral truth" we could put this question to bed!

    Do you have such an example???

    I have never seen...
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    Re: Ask Zhavric Anything

    As you have given nothing but "you say it is so", what other conclusion could one reach???

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    Since you...
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    Re: Ask Zhavric Anything

    IOW, no you don't have any support for your claim of having "learned and gotten better".

    Just a lot of hutzpah with no substance....
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    Re: Ask Zhavric Anything

    Hmmmm...
    Although I have only been posting here a relatively short while, I lurked for a number of years. I remember many exchanges between you and Apok for instance. Could you give us some support...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Well, that's nice and all, but we were NOT discussing "physicists" were we? We were discussing theists. The way you change the source is common for you but only when we discuss religion. At ALL other...
  11. Re: How do you pay for Universal Basic Income?

    Right, your needs will be taken care of, but by robots performing the labor the labor instead of the gov't sucking money from people and companies and then redistributing it in a "fair" way!! The...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    Just to be clear, I totally agree with Mican on this point!
    On ODN I will take the side of agnostic. It seems the only defensibly position.

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  13. Re: How do you pay for Universal Basic Income?

    Spending money you don't have:
    "ALWAYS" the right choice"

    Once robots do most of the labor, where is the "cost" coming from?
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Though you point about things necessary for this universe to exist is true, "ALL" one would have to do is leave Earth to find out our universe is:

    Hostile to life!!!

    If it was indeed "fined...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    Would you expand on:
    "you can’t say that theists are arguing that a supernatural act is limited in scope whilst simultaneously expanding it."

    Or give me an example of what you mean. I don't...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    I appreciate your patience, I'm trying hard to understand and think I may have your point ;)

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    Sorry, I...
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    Re: The Cliff: a thought experiment on abortion

    I appreciate your candor, and though as some others at times have commented on the occasional appropriateness of the "title", I'm sure Squatch would change it if you mentioned it :)
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    Re: Supernatural?

    Would you then find defining say gravity or time equally "useless"?

    Or is it just that which relates to God is "useless", or I don't understand???

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    Re: The Cliff: a thought experiment on abortion

    Very funny :)

    May I ask:

    how did you come by the title of ?:
    "ODN's Crotchety Old Man"

    I mean, were you awarded it, or was it your idea?

    Please take no offense, I usually enjoy reading...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    I think you may have misunderstood my point.
    I'm not sure science will be able to explain how an immaterial being, from a different "universe (plain of existence???)", and is timeless can with only...
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    Re: Ask Zhavric Anything

    Well, looks like "we all" have something in common then ;)

    [/COLOR]

    sh!t :(

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    Re: The Cliff: a thought experiment on abortion

    Did you actually expect someone to give a good, valid, moral reason to kill the child?

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    Agreed. Good...
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    Re: The Cliff: a thought experiment on abortion

    Ahhh, I think maybe I see...

    You want to discuss morals under the presumption that they can be neither subjective nor objective, and there is some third option?

    If that is correct, it seems...
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    Re: The Cliff: a thought experiment on abortion

    Indeed, this limits the "usefulness" of this Op to an academic exercise as apposed to applying to the world around us in general.
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    Re: Supernatural?

    Ok, I'll play.

    From you from your link:
    "“Supernatural” typically means that it transcends nature; that is it separate and distinct from nature; that is unobservable from the natural world."
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    Re: The Cliff: a thought experiment on abortion

    True in everyday experience, but in this scenario, there are only two humans and one is to young to be a moral agent. So we are left with mother being the sole moral agent. Hence, she will...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    Yeah, and I don't even see a point to this post other than to complain about others lack of "useful" information.

    Why is new information necessary before we can define the term supernatural?
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    Re: Supernatural?

    How could science explain or quantify Jesus being able to suspend gravity by thought alone?

    However, if Jesus were available for testing on his ability to walk on water, at least we would know...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    Agreed, too often people do talk past each other just because of a different definition for a given word.

    In a general physics conversation, this definition isn't too bad.

    In a religious...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Well, I don't know for sure they didn't actually disappear.
    I keep hearing from theists super natural things can and do happen!

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