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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    As I explained, it's not based on a false etymology, but on the natural evolution of language and the needs of those using it. Whether it is or isn't a false etymology is irrelevant.

    I don't know,...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    The distinction you are missing is that of incontrovertibility/unquestionability. This is the main idea behind dogma, and the distinction I've repeatedly forwarded in my posts.
    == Definitions ==...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, I don't think it's based on false etymology - it's just the natural evolution of how we use the words based on how our own thinking has evolved and provided different/addition needs for usable...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Words don't have intrinsic meanings, they have usages. As much as I personally enjoy the study of language and its use, along with etymology and the history of languages, I have to respect every...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    He also forwarded a definition of atheism which implies that atheism in general means to hold that God doesn't exist.

    I stand by my responses and questions. You can quote them specifically and...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Frank, I offered you the actual text from the website. It really seems as though sometimes you just scan over what is written and don't invest the time to take it all in...

    I've already responded...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    You clearly don't fully understand the meaning of dogmatic. As I've already explained, there is nothing dogmatic about the way western secular societies operate. Literally every position they adopt...
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    Re: Are ODN "atheists" theophobiacs?

    And many folks live their lives without knowing whether some deity exists and have no opinion on it. Does everyone know whether "Deity X" of "Some Ancient Tribe" exists or do they have an opinion on...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I'm again sorry you're being so stubborn with this, but you said that the term isn't used as I described, and I simply provided you with an example where it is actually used in that way. The link...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Sure it is. Here's one example: https://www.thoughtco.com/strong-atheism-vs-weak-atheism-248406

    And some would refer to them as being strongly atheistic with regard to that specific deity. Sorry....
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, strong atheism is often used to refer to someone who denies the existence of some specific deity (but not necessarily others). I'm sorry you think I'm trying to redefine it to devolve into...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    You asserted that, "from an early age, you were indoctrinated into a belief in the rightness of science, probably as early as kindergarten or first grade". I can honestly tell you that I received no...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    And I'm trying to get you to consider that even regular agnostic atheists can hold strong atheistic positions. Your desire to focus only on strong atheists, which btw is not clear from your post #...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Doesn't everyone hold to a belief with certainty that at least some claimed supernatural entities do not exist? What's wrong with being a strong atheist with respect to, say, Zeus or Odin?
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Again, this is quite vague. The request for clarification was to specify the kind of minority you are referring to.

    This is a kind of category mistake. A society doesn't need to explicitly vote to...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Sorry folks, playing catch-up here...

    It's not a belief in the rightness of science. Did you have science class in school? We had it starting, IIRC, in grade 6, with regular experiments and labs,...
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    Re: Are ODN "atheists" theophobiacs?

    MT, ignoring the fact, for now, that the whole atheists really being theists deep down inside has been roundly debunked, the issue with this limbo argument of yours (and the validity of agnostic...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    It's not faith at all, it's reasonable expectation based on facts. The expectation is that what the scientific method indicates is the case is most likely the case, and the facts supporting that...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    So, to clarify, you're referring to the former distress in my post?
    the person's distress is specifically about their being transgendered (like, "Oh no, I'm transgendered, and that's a bad thing.")...
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    After reading up on the incident, it turns out that Brailsford wasn't the one issuing the commands - he's just the one who shot Shaver.

    In any case, I still think the officers handled the...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    It's amusing that you still think focusing on the different forms of slavery is at all relevant the question of whether it's moral to treat another person as property. In any case, the bottom line...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Because that's kinda the definition of consistency with regard to assessing claims.

    By being consistent, one is not guilty of special pleading. Again, it's kinda inherent in the definition.

    One...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Your example is yet again quite vague. Are you referring to a political, racial, ethnic, religious, etc. minority?

    Nor did I say one was.

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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    It's important to be clear about the source of the distress. Based on your statement, it seems like you're saying that the person's distress is specifically about their being transgendered (like, "Oh...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    No, it's forwarded as fact. I guess you're trying to make a clever gotcha here, but you obviously misunderstand what it means for something to be asserted incontrovertibly, as would be required for...
  26. Re: Mind Trapped by - Police vs Citizens - Reaching for a gun?

    They say hindsight is 20/20, but after seeing the full video, I would have to agree that so much was wrong with how Brailsford handled them and the situation. There were just so many signs leading up...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    That's unfortunate, but understandable. With regard to the usual and incorrect theistic claim that the country was built on religious principles, whether it was or wasn't is completely irrelevant to...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    By requiring similar justification for like claims, we are able to avoid mistakes like special pleading. You do think special pleading is not a reliable pathway to truth, right? At this point, I'm...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Again, regardless of the fact that one was already provided, this is, as already explained, irrelevant to the point of the discussion. My "trying to avoid" it is because I have no desire to engage in...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Have it your way, dude. If you want to play games and pretend that you don't know what it means when even your very own government bases its morality on principles such as rational examination of...
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