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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    My point is that no society does that, or can.
    Such that criminals are charged as though the crime is incontrovertibly illegal. Sure it may later become legal, but then it forwarded so...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Well, I agree we apparently have different understandings of the meaning of Dogmatic. I think however that you have not "shown" or "explained" you have simply stated that there is some distinction I...
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    Re: Are ODN "atheists" theophobiacs?

    I don't see how that effects my point. Mine is about the incoherence of neutrality on this issue.



    Indeed, but that is not neutrality.
    You may be open to change, but your not neutral.
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    Re: Are ODN "atheists" theophobiacs?

    But I can live my life consistently with not knowing the number of Jelly beans and not having an opinion on it. That is what my argument centered around. The fact that a person can't live their lives...
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    Re: Is the Trump presidency that bad?

    The oil spill did not make the moratorium, Obama did, and it is that action that put people out of work.
    So, I am blaming him for HOW he cleaned it up, and the fact that it put people (specifically...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Frankly there is no such thing as a society that has no dogmatic influences present. Even societies that throw off on dogmatic influence is only trading it for another. It is not even a logical...
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    Re: Is the Trump presidency that bad?

    So, I have had the pleasure of not watching just about any "news" since the election. Really, really little the last few months.
    Everything seems fine. Obama put me personally out of work for...
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    Re: Are ODN "atheists" theophobiacs?

    There is a bank account with a million dollars.
    What do you think the options are for my beliefs as far as my ownership of that account?

    Do you think I can say, "I don't believe it is mine, but...
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    Re: Are ODN "atheists" theophobiacs?

    That sounds like faith.


    Well, your describing an attitude, and a logic that isn't necessarily inferred from the data. The attitude you are describing is more in line with allowing someone else...
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    Re: Are ODN "atheists" theophobiacs?

    But they won't try things they don't believe in to some level. They pray to God and not something else for a reason, and that reason is belief.
    So it stands as evidence that they deny a belief they...
  11. Re: Mind Trapped by - Police vs Citizens - Reaching for a gun?

    I think on the most practical level, if I got exactly what I ask for. All we are talking about is police changing their verbiage.
    In other words instead of saying "he reached for his waist, so I...
  12. Re: Mind Trapped by - Police vs Citizens - Reaching for a gun?

    The main point is that realty must line up for citizens, where as for police they are not held to reality, only their own fears and thoughts matter.
    Of course civilians are not given their...
  13. Re: Mind Trapped by - Police vs Citizens - Reaching for a gun?

    IBELSD -
    So, there are a few things. First i agree with you that there were a lot of things wrong and a lot of broken links. however, I think you have some facts wrong about the incident. There...
  14. Re: Mind Trapped by - Police vs Citizens - Reaching for a gun?

    The event in the hallway, is actually an example of how the police did a lot of things right. I mean, the man was shot 5xs, and that was the direct result of an officer using a fully automatic rifle....
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    https://www.yahoo.com/gma/la-man-arrested-over-swatting-incident-led-police-072205194--abc-news-topstories.html

    Here is another story, where an officer shot and killed an unarmed suspect, based on...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    I was talking about in your specific model. It does not address how it is a applied to the minority. Specifically in a non dogmatic way.


    Well, that is a problem because your OP requires such a...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    What about when people don't agree. specifically the minority.



    Two things. First, I have seen religion do this in regards to us law. So religion is not inherently opposed to this.
    Second, you...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Is that forwarded dogmatically?


    So then SM can't be enforced at all?


    the end result seems the same. Be it by democratic agreement by the majority onto the minority, or by dictatorship....
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    As I generally consider my gov to be based on moral principles of a Dogmatic religious base, I don't see how that supports your point.
    I see the ideology of communism as an official form of...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Yes, and I said I was willing to accept that the counter examples don't fall into SM as you have defined it.
    My objection has moved then to the second point.



    No, I can't think of any....
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Again, how is the op not dogmatic in regards to SM?


    First I'm completely willing to accept your rejection of the counter example I gave. My problem is that I don't see the OP as then internally...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    They were not Religious atrocities, they were "state" atrocities. Atrocities done in the name of the state, not in the name of a religion.
    So it doesn't fall under RM.

    Or else SM doen't exist...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    I would object to 4.
    - SM conflict resolution is based on skeptical inquiry. ..etc.

    I would say that the millions of dead people from the conquest driven secular social morals of socialists...
  24. Mind Trapped by - Police vs Citizens - Reaching for a gun?

    --The incident---
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYRRSdjdcbo
    The above video is the body cam from the officer who shot and killed Daniel Shaver.

    The basics are, swat responded to a call,...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    That is not what it is defined as.
    It is defined as them thinking they are a gender that does not correspond with their actual gender.
    That is the definition of a break from reality. A man with a...
  26. Re: Shouldn't there be a thread on sexual harassment?

    Yea, I'm with you. I think my strongest language is in regards to how it will come back and why. If we are assigning blaim, It is first on our immoral culture for consuming the products that...
  27. Re: Shouldn't there be a thread on sexual harassment?

    My favorite take was SNL tom Brady sexual harassment clip. can't link to it, cause I can't find it, probably scrubbed from existence. Point was, be attractive and rich.. or "be tom Brady", and it...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Is ought fallacy.
    That it is not currently listed as a mental disorder, is not evidence against my case that it SHOULD be. Also, I have based my case at least in part with the idea that accurately...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Well, we agree in that I'm arguing that there is not enough evidence to support that specific treatment on children.
    I think however your idea that transgender as a "treatment" is not the main...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    So when you brought sophistry into this as a comparison, my focus may have been on something different than your focus. Mine was on the faulty logic, and people sitting around talking vs science. You...
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