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    Re: Problem

    Can't the emanating point be what you refer to as "state of affairs"? Why refer to something beyond this ray while our mind is only within this?
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    Re: Problem

    I'm back... sorry for the delay too...


    Now. Your statements doesn't cross-out of it having a beginning. Again, conceding to my points, would make ourselves limited yet to our ray. And again, it...
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    Re: Problem

    Okay, so I would like to omit some other view's implication so that we can say it has always existed but it began. If you concede to my points then there is no problem saying that it has always...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    No, not specifically. I even described the way I referred to the riddle. I did not say, "The riddle defines logic". I said, "The riddle works good on defining logic". It is according to the...
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    Re: Problem

    Sorry, I forgot to answer this. Anyway, how does "always" differ among individual definitions? It usually expresses or implies repetition as producing the uniformity or continuance.



    If you...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    hmmm... what is not necessary? I'm not saying it's all the synopsis of logic. Defining it, though not totally, is answering the question, "What is logic?"

    I am not really referring to the riddle....
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    Okay, but the riddle still works good on defining logic. The settings may not be totally applicable to the real world but it shows what logic really is - it is not only the "what", but the "how in...
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    Re: Problem

    There seems to be a problem in your analogy. First, I used the ray to represent the time line.

    The ray, as you have imagined, has been a ray because of its lying on the plane and in space. At...
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    Re: Problem

    I did not say that the point was beyond the beginning. In fact, I said the point was the beginning.
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    It might sound foolish but it's logic that makes it valid. If the Liar brother would point the wrong way, then he said the truth that he was going to lie (on his side because you don't know if he was...
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    Problem

    The problem arises as you tend to think of something beyond the point while you try to use time to help that affair.

    Just think of that beginning as that point, where our ray emanated. That point...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    And no, it is not the same. You asked for what he was going to say after you asked the question. The truth existed and the liar knows it. But he is supposed to ALWAYS LIE that this tricky and...
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    Re: Mind Trap #1

    Yes of course, but it seems to me that you are trying to get a "first" out of an infinitely reducible time. I mean, it seems you are trying to measure that "first" so that I suggest it is not...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    Yes, the lying brother would be forced to lie two times but he wouldn't say the first one. What I mean is that he knows he is going to lie so that he is going to lie again and say that he would say...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    Okay, how about asking this question:

    "What are you going to say if I ask you where is the right road?"

    Both of them will point the right road.

    The honest brother would tell you truthfully....
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    Re: This thread doesnt exist

    This is exactly the thread. If you did not make this, then it would not exist.
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    Re: Mind Trap #1

    What is wrong here is the word 'first' because, though not absolutely certain, it exactly makes measures.



    The reductionist says that time is a dimension.
    The Platonist says that time is part...
  18. Re: Burden of proof and the argument from ignorance fallacy

    Yes, it is like the saying, "Absence of proof is not proof of absence"

    But the last word may also refer to truth.

    The saying is also disagreed and debated, saying that it should mean the same...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    Another idea might be asking this tricky question:

    Is the truthful brother standing in the right road?

    If Yes, take that road. Only the liar and the truthful brother who stands in the right...
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    Re: Mind Trap #1

    I was idle.


    Anyway, I see your view.

    Yes, but a simple image of this is a ray. A ray goes in only one direction. A ray has a starting point. The ray doesn't cover anything beyond the point -...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    Yes, it is basically what he should say.
    It would make him tricky but still valid to make us think and to lie that he is the honest one. It's a technical possibility.

    But I would like to say that...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    This is a problem (a logical challenge) and the reality could provide something illogical from what it is supposed to be (supposed - based on the given) and the given is part of the problem itself....
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    Re: Mind Trap #1

    It's not necessarily like that. Consider A the instance and the starting point, then what need should it be 'before' (or 'after') the beginning?
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    Re: Mind Trap #1

    So, are you saying that because a ray's emanating point is undefinable it means that it doesn't have a starting point?

    The same is true in points that they are infinitely reducible.

    It's...
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    Re: Mind Trap #1

    Depends on what? :coolsmiley:
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    I don't directly agree.

    If you ask them the question, "What path would your brother tell me to take to get to my destination?":

    If you have asked the Liar brother, he will always lie and could...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    My point is, it is a problem. And the "given" should be considered a law, along with logic (basic) to come up with the positive answer and again, according to the "given". So, the lying brother (who...
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    Re: Mind Trap #1

    I almost can't participate during these days...

    Anyway, it's a mistake to say there was a first moment because you are trying to make absolutely certain something infinitely undefinable by...
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    Sticky: Re: What is Logic? (Logic 101)

    I have met this kind of problem the other year in our elementary science magazine. The version used tribes instead of a twin.

    But considering the key parts (given) in the problem, my question is:...
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    Re: Who created the Creator?

    It's been so long I haven't been active; but anyway, I'm back, so let's get started.

    Dionysius:



    How do you define existence then? Please don't misinterpret me.
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