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    Re: Animals *can* consent to sex

    I've never heard anyone make that argument. I don't think anyone has seriously forwarded that robots should have rights.
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    Apparently the union could not stay together with one side having slaves and the other side not having slaves. So the only way that slavery was not going to drive the nation apart was for either the...
  3. Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    I wouldn't go that far but I will say that BLM contends that there is racial bias within the police and justice systems. But then that's not exactly a radical conclusion to reach given there's solid...
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    I'm pretty sure that the statues are not being removed because it's just a small percentage that want them removed. And outsiders can have their say but the decision should be made locally which...
  5. Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    That's not necessarily true. If someone who just likes breaking stuff shows up at a BLM protest and throws a brick through a window for the sake of breaking windows and is not trying to intimidate...
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    MT, good job with the Robert E. Lee support. I'm not going to rebut any of that but it doesn't really matter that much. And I can definitely provide support that the primary reason that the Civil...
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    I will address your questions but I will say that I'm a bit hesitant to do so. First off, the validity of my argument does not require me to answer these questions. Also, from past experience I...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    MT,

    I think you have a misunderstanding of how what we know as thinking evolved. Let me show how thinking evolved via a story of an evolving creature that I'll call the "critter" (a stand-in for...
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    If the reason the person is honored is due to his fighting for the confederacy in the civil war, there isn't much difference between honoring the man and honoring his cause.

    So just as I...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    It's not your ability to communicate what you mean that's the problem. The problem is that you aren't addressing my argument.

    Here is my argument again:

    Either:

    1. Morality is objective and...
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    I am conflating something that was created to honor the confederacy in the public square with honoring the confederacy in the public square.



    The generals themselves have significant...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    No, it doesn't.

    That which exists IS superior to that which does not exist.

    If you had to get somewhere fast, which would be better at helping you get - the car that exists or the car that does...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    And it also shows which moral system is correct. If he thinks the moral system is actually objective and he's right, that means that the moral system IS objective.



    It doesn't inherently make...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    And that shows that the moral system that he subscribes to is likewise correct and therefore superior to all other moral systems (that aren't correct).
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    No. Nor would doing so be approximately the same thing as removing certain statues from the public square.

    One primary difference between the house and many (all?) of the statues was that the...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    If objective moral beliefs are superior to subjective moral beliefs, then it stands to reason that objective morality is superior to subjective morality (and vice versa).
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    In regards to that argument, it's both (as in my statement applies to both equally).
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I think so. Let me restate it so it says exactly what I mean.

    If a person's belief of the current state of morals in this universe is accurate, that person's belief's are superior to someone...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    From what I can see, my primary disagreement with your argument is the issue of "equal outcomes". I cover that plenty below but I do want to focus on this.

    So I'll say that I don't agree that...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    If it's running away or mating, then it's having a thought that leads it to run away or make (Thought: "A wolf is running towards me. I better jump down a hole.") A rabbit that has such thoughts...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    No, you don't just put in thoughts that are wrong. You have to put in PARTICULAR wrong thoughts that, by sheer random luck, combine with the original wrong thought to create a positive outcome. And...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    Evolution will certainly not select that. If a rabbit thinks that hiding is the best way to mate then that rabbit is less likely to mate than a rabbit who thinks the best way to mate is to go out...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    No. I'm defining "correct" as that belief which accurately aligns with the current state of the universe.

    As an example, in the current state of the universe, the world is round. Saying "it's a...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Again, that's not what this debate is about. There is nothing in my argument that forwards, or requires me to forward, that the universe/reality that we are in is superior to anything else. So it's...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    That's not my argument at all. I never said that our reality is superior to any other reality. I'm saying that our reality is the topic of discussion so the other realities are not relevant to my...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I said God forwards moral positions and then gave ONE example of God doing so. You didn't like that example so I provided a different one. I did not say that the example provided was the only...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Yes.





    No there cannot be more than one objective reality existing in this universe. The Earth is either round or flat and it can't be both. If you want to posit that in the far future,...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    My argument refers to only one universe - the one that we are currently in. The possibility of other universes existing and the moral structure of those universes is irrelevant to my argument.


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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    And it's ONE way that God can FORWARD a moral position. Another way is to create morality. I provided an example of forwarding morality and it in no way was intended to be the only possible way to...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I'm not talking about the superiority of our universe to other universes. My argument only refers to the universe that you and I are currently in.

    In THIS universe, if objective morality exists...
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