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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    That is actually pretty impressive to me :)



    Though your right the shark is very much the "main" bad guy. I was talking about the mayor. I was just thinking how even though his bias was...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    No movies really worth discussing. I did watch jaws again recently. That is one great classic movie, no wonder I couldn't go into a pool after watching it as a kid.
    Great thing about it, is that...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    I haven't seen any of those... sad to say. I can't think of any recent movie that is worth discussing.
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    That is not the question you need to ask. You need to be asking if it is a logically possible definition.
    If it is logically possible, then it isn't gratuitous at all. It is just one of the many...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    None of that is a logical objection that would make the definition I offered invalid. This is you arbitrarily setting a limit without a justifiable cause.
    If the definition I offered is a valid and...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    First, I understand you disagree, but you will have to offer some rebuttal to my objection that is something I can evaluate.
    Second, if it is the case that you think you are conceding the debate...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Ideas exist primarily in the mind, so that isn't a valid objection. Any idea we seek to discuss would first have to be internally consistent. We don't define ideas the way you are seeking to, which...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Basically you made some of this post a moot point because you conceded my objections, so I will move on to my second point about the definition of God and which we are going to use.
    I am posting the...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    so to be clear.

    You are rejecting the definition of god as a "necessary being"
    and please correct me if I have you wrong here...
    Because you won't let me, because it is unfair.

    Is that...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Fair enough. but your the one that chose that definition, as the one we should be using.
    I'm going to try and understand your position based on what you give me.


    I'm a Christian,...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    I appreciate your point, but I feel you are not being consistent. I mean within your own world view.


    I agree you don't appear to be a fool, and I don't take you for one. I do appreciate this...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    What do you mean god?

    Because so far your provided definition, which is as far as I know how you understand the concept, doesn't make any sense.. so this statement of yours doesn't make any...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Well, if you came here for novelty, you may be disappointed.

    If this were a formal debate, or if this were a thread in which we had to rigorously support each premise, then perhaps the level of...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    your counter doesn't seem to be a valid or coherent definition.
    I mean is god a cup, because a cup isn't a necessary being, so that fulfills the definition you gave.

    or your second
    god is...
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    Re: Another abortion debate opportunity.

    Sure that is reasons that a woman may not want a baby, but they are not moral reasons. It is not an evil for a baby to be a girl, yet that is the primary justification for all kinds of abortions....
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    O yea, the benching was the absolute worst coaching move. As a saints fan I was upset by it, but I can't imagine what a die hard fan would feel. Good Luck.



    1- God is defined as a necessary...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    :) Well English is't exactly my proficient language.. it is all I have though, so i'm stuck.


    As my good friend Curly from the 3 stooges would say. "Certainly".


    Yes.


    cool beans.
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    The most important thing, and I was tempted just to post this question.

    do you understand what the logical law of identity is?

    Because the conversation seems to be stuck on my trying to ...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    I'm not simply asserting that a necessary being exists. I'm saying that if we are going to have a conversation, we can not consistently conceive of saying a necessary being does not exist.

    Thus...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Well your problem is not with me, your problem is with the logical law of identity. It is not gratuitous to say A=A
    and that is exactly what you are objecting to when you say that I can not assert...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Well, it isn't so much as be 'allowed" as it is what the word "God" means.

    Also, you may be able to define things however you like, but that just means your talking about a different thing. Such...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Well, I don't have a problem moving from.
    "Does the presupposition that God does or doesn't exist effect how we start to have conversations to begin with? "
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    Can we determine if at least one god...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    So I'm going to respond to you without quoting everything specifically, except to maybe draw attention. Just an attempt to keep this a bit more streamlined.


    Starting at the end, you asked that...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    -God or gods-
    Yea, just substitute the word you like.


    No, I mean about anything. I mean if we were going to discuss the football Giants, if we assume God doesn't exist, then we will try to...
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    Re: Another abortion debate opportunity.

    I think that is more of a clarification of the context of my argument. When I say that it is immoral to kill humans.
    I don't mean that we all have generally agreed that we don't like killing humans...
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    Re: Trump Tax Cuts - Ultimate Con

    Well, first of all it isn't your money they are giving to the rich. They are simply letting the rich keep more of their money.
    The congress is spending your money, that is true. But it doesn't mean...
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    Re: Another abortion debate opportunity.

    Not at all. My appeal to morality is an objective one not a subjective one. Yours is a fallacious appeal to popularity for several reasons but the first is because right and wrong is not based on a...
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    Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    It isn't all the time that you may want to go to the mat and crank out all those lengthy research and support. Sometimes you may just need to talk it out as you would with anyone else on the street. ...
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    Re: Another abortion debate opportunity.

    This quote is the definition of appealing to popularity. IE "everyone thinks X, therefore X is correct or based on the most sound evidence".


    Right, but this point(that I made) directly...
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    Re: Another abortion debate opportunity.

    The ultimate appeal to emotion argument. Decrying facts and statistics for personal stories of joy.
    Unfortunately emotions don't define truth, and if having an abortion gave woman massive orgasms...
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