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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I didn't say anything about completing anything. It's a simple answer to a simple question: How do you count to infinity? By counting an infinite number of times.
    It really just serves to highlight...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Two things:
    1. You can count to infinity if you count an infinite number of times.
    2. Wouldn't a deity that exists outside of space & time be infinite?
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, by using Fine-Tuning as rational justification for your belief in the Xtian deity, you are making the implicit claim that the universe was finely-tuned by said deity for human life on planet...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    Huh? Here we go again ...

    futureboy - #146: You're saying that having no knowledge of either choice's likelihood means it's valid to conclude that they have equal likelihood.
    mican - #149: Yep.
    ...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    No, it's the implicit unstated part of your position.
    Without any knowledge whatsoever of what you're considering, all you're left with is merely its possibility. When you say that a proposition has...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    It's really not as complicated as you seem to think. You're saying that having no knowledge of either choice's likelihood means it's valid to conclude that they have equal likelihood.
    As Rod put it:...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    Rodriguez: Look at the example again. If you have no evidence whatsoever for the proposition "Rodriguez's first name is Peter," then you cannot define the probability with which you know that...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    The same type of evidence can just as easily be applied to the Peter/Not-Peter scenario:
    All the possible names he could have that aren't Peter. If out of, say, ten thousand different names, not one...
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    Re: Supernatural?

    What evidence?
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    Re: Supernatural?

    This reminds me of an old "blonde joke":
    Some astronomy students are doing a survey on their campus, asking people about other galaxies, planets, possibility of life, etc.
    They go up to a blonde...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    You already brought up "unconditional love" back in post # 330, but didn't support it. Could you please define and support?

    ---------- Post added at 08:44 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:40...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Thankfully, you're absolutely wrong, and this world is able to benefit from love without having to base it on nonsense deepities as support for more nonsense deepities.
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    On what planet is any of this support?
  14. Re: Democrats - masters of the made up nonsense investigation - RussiaGate

    No, it's a valid approach to the whole mess - let's just wait and see, instead of making snide and pointless threads on ODN.
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    Wow, a committee headed by avid Trump-supporter Nunes released a heavily-redacted and already widely-criticized report exonerating (though not really) Trump? Impossible!
    But I guess that settles it...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Another question:
    Since you offered the three arguments (KCA, Fine-Tuning, Morality) as why you think your belief in the Xtian deity is rationally justified, were these the arguments which convinced...
  17. Re: Democrats - masters of the made up nonsense investigation - RussiaGate

    First, are you claiming that there was no collusion, or simply expressing your interpretation of an ongoing investigation?
    Second, are you aware of the requirements for an investigation like this to...
  18. Re: Democrats - masters of the made up nonsense investigation - RussiaGate

    Not just Democrats, Even - last I heard nearly half of the Republican party was in favour of the investigation.
    You need to update the title to "Democrats, liberal media, and a large portion of the...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    No, my concern is that you appear to be avoiding answering some pretty straight-forward questions:
    1. What support do you have that the universe was finely-tuned for human life, since this is an...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Soooo ... no support, then?
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, I'm seeing a lot of claiming, but no supporting. When you say that the person is presented with more reality and truth, what support do you have for that truth, and what makes one rationally...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    No, I offered you the opportunity to move to another argument, since I clearly indicated that the post would be my last "discussing the status cosmology" with you.

    I'd like to have an honest...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I'm not claiming that a deity doesn't exist. I'm asking you for the rational justification in presuming that one does. Again, presuming something requires justification - it's no different that...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    You are again confusing the whether someone loves with the why someone loves, having only offered the proposition for whether someone loves. Without a proposition for why someone loves, there is...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, the claim that they love each other can be rationally believed by observing how they love each other.

    Why they love each other is a mystery, since you have not offered a proposition for the...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    In theology, sure, but when discussing rational justification, this definition does not apply.

    As previously stated, irrelevant gotchas will be ignored.

    The belief that they have become friends...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    More gotcha playing. The thread's title is the same. The point you seem to be avoiding is that nothing, including theistic beliefs, is rationally justified simply just because, but only after...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    No, it means that we have exactly one universe that exists, and this one universe has constants which are favourable to life. So 1 total outcome, and one favourable outcome. I've yet to see any...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Probability is calculated by comparing the number of favourable outcomes with the number of total outcomes. For our universe and its constants, the value is 1 across the board. On what basis do you...
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    Re: The Cliff: a thought experiment on abortion

    No, I demonstrated why your analogy sucks by providing a likewise faulty analogy which fulfills the exact same criteria you provided, yet leads to the opposite conclusion. You then responded with the...
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