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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I moved this section to the top because I think it supersedes the next two quotes (feel free to ignore them since I think you are correct that they are moot in this conversation). You are correct...
  2. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    I'm not sure where you got that idea. I'm saying that Ibelsd and I have an agreement for him to do a certain job for a rate we both agree on. The only reason that deal isn't made is that someone...
  3. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Well the effect is what is important here. It isn't the motivations that matter much when we are looking at inner-city poverty rates, its the actual cause of those poverty rates.

    And I'm not sure...
  4. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Ibelsd's response is correct. Intent isn't relevant because the comparison is about effect, not intent. Both policies have the same effect because they rely on the same mechanism, a barrier to...
  5. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    No need of course. At this point I've been talking to him for something like 550 posts, that has to bear some insight into his position I would hope. Nor would I expect you to have waded through...
  6. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    I'm not sure this is quite representative of the thread. The opening post was a practice run for an argument I use in my circle of more progressive friends quite a bit, and do so quite successfully....
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    1 however doesnít really make sense from a process point of view. The asteroid is external to any biological process involved with evolution that Iíve heard of. Letís use an example. Beavers have...
  8. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Great point. It is somewhat akin to Thomas Sowell's "There are no solutions in life, only tradeoffs" or Friedman's "There is no such thing as a free lunch." I think that that has been the tack I've...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Ahh, I think I see the miscommunication. The topic was related to whether a hypothetical alien would be more or less objective related to analyzing evolution. That alien was analyzing the process,...
  10. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    First, Sharmak you didnít answer the primary question from the top of my post:

    So because this is a policy that hurts real people, let's see what we are talking about on the personal level. What...
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Which you've already posted and which I already pointed out does not support your claim. Putin's interest and desire, even his active involvement in the campaign does not lend support to the...
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Yes, and you'll notice I didn't rule that you needed to support that you have knowledge of possible futures. I ruled that you didn't support the claim you made, which is still the case. Thus making...
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    You were challenged to support this statement: "Well, she wouldn't have sucked as president." You offered no support for that claim. Your attempt to reframe it as an "alternate past" does nothing...
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    Re: Where are the Russia Collusion Charges?

    Since Cowboy declined to offer support for his claim that Clinton "wouldn't have sucked as a president" we can consider that claim retracted. Please do not make it again without support.
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  15. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    I moved this part of the response up to the top because it does seem to be the bottom line of what we are discussing. The question is, do we make policy decisions based on experts in a field and...
  16. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Two important points here. 1) You are arguing that popular wisdom should be adopted over the consensus of experts. Should that apply to other fields as well?

    2) You stated earlier that it was...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    There was a miscommunication. When I said that it was set aside, I was referring to your response. You didn't address my rebuttal, so I assumed you had set it aside. In post 611 you didn't address...
  18. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    I haven't seen this argument before, it is pretty interesting. Apparently the Council of Economic Advisors floated the idea that the minimum wage might reduce crime, conceivably by improving...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Well sometimes we all have to do the work of figuring out what someone else is saying. It is part of debating, to try to understand an opponent's argument and what it means. The question is whether...
  20. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    If your claim is that it is an arbitrary choice though, how do you argue that your, personal choice should be forced on others against their will? And why should it be your personal arbitrary choice...
  21. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    The point is easy to make if you answer the question. Is this statement coherent or self-contradictory: I don't get the point you're making here

    If yes, then why didn't you offer support of its...
  22. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    Yes or no, is this statement coherent or self-contradictory: I don't get the point you're making here

    If yes, then why didn't you offer support of its coherence?
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    I'll grant that he changed from NDE to a broader OBE reference (you have the general to specific backwards there) very early in the thread. I'm not sure I see the issue with that. You asked him to...
  24. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    I don't understand what this means. Is this even a coherent argument? Can you demonstrate that it is?

    [Feel free to acknowledge when you get the point I'm making here.]
  25. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    Are you sure you mean it is arbitrary? That would mean you lack any real justification besides this being your personal whim. Why should your personal whim dictate what I freely choose with another...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    I'm afraid I didn't see where he did that. Can you link to a post subsequent to post 173 where he claimed the dictionary definitions don't apply?



    I agree with this statement, but I don't...
  27. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    Can you demonstrate that these are coherent statements?
  28. Re: Increasing the Minimum Wage hurts those most vulnerable in our society.

    What do you mean by inefficient? That term has a very specific meaning in economics that I don't think you mean (since it would defeat your point because these businesses are making an economic...
  29. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    Because that was not the argument the OP made. The OP made a fallacious argument by comparing a formal fallacy with an informal fallacy. It seems as if you want to move past the OP into a different...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    You are incorrect regarding my response. I noted that the status of something as "proven" was irrelevant to the nature of the truims. The status of the truism statement was undeniable. All things...
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