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  1. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    Again, this line of questioning is irrelevant to whether it's an argument from ignorance to say that something is X just because it hasn't been proven to be Not-X.
    Either make your point which I'm...
  2. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    No, I don't get the point you're making here, but it doesn't seem relevant to the question of whether it's an argument from ignorance to say that something is X just because it hasn't been proven to...
  3. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    This has nothing to do with coherence. Something is either X or not-X, based on your own statements, and the lack of evidence for not-X is not evidence for X.
  4. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    The OP makes no comparison of different fallacies. Here is the first sentence from the OP:
    The lack of evidence that something is impossible does not constitute evidence that it is possible.

    The...
  5. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    That's all well and good, but when one wants to involve such rigorous standards as truisms based on our core logical foundations, "given what I know I think" just doesn't make the cut.
  6. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    None of this refutes the fact that it's an argument from ignorance to say that X is true because not-X is not proven.
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    None of this supports that the "truism" offered is actually a truism.

    When you said that I misunderstand what a truism is, you provided the following explanation in support of Mican's "truism":...
  8. Re: An omniscient creation deity invalidates free will

    But just calling it a "free will model", and claiming that people are "creating" choices, doesn't magically avoid the very real issue of apparent determinism. If you say people are creating choices,...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    You supported the "truism" by claiming it adheres to the logic that "all things are A which are ~(~A)", which is based on the law of excluded middle and that A/~A is a true dichotomy. I pointed out...
  10. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    Your response was about the difference between formal and informal fallacies, which is irrelevant to the argument that something is not X just because it hasn't been proven to be not-X. For a...
  11. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    The argument from the OP is "something isn't possible just because it hasn't been proven that it's impossible". Nothing from your post supports the claim that if something is not proven to be...
  12. Re: An omniscient creation deity invalidates free will

    He wasn't?

    I don't see how this is the case. "One would never choose freely X" implies a limitation on will (ie.: it's not free). All you're doing is calling it free will which is limiting what...
  13. Re: An omniscient creation deity invalidates free will

    Yes, that helps, although I'm not clear on how that means that determinism is being smuggled in. I'm merely describing the facts. Doesn't the deity choose to create the reality which it creates?
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Mican, since the issue we're discussing has been escalated to red and purple text, I'm going to hold off on responding to your entire post for now until Squatch responds to the issue I've pointed out...
  15. Re: An omniscient creation deity invalidates free will

    MT, before I move on to responding to the rest of your post, I want to get clarity from you on this:
    Could you please elaborate on what you mean by smuggling in the idea of determinism and provide...
  16. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    Please explain how any of this supports the claim that if something is not proven to be impossible, it therefore is or can be considered possible.
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    I understand that "that which is not impossible is possible" is a truism. But that's not the truism which was offered here, which stated that all things are possible which are not proven impossible....
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    P1 is not a truism, it's an argument from ignorance. Something is not possible just because it hasn't been demonstrated that it's impossible. The lack of a demonstration of impossibility is not...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    While "exists" and "does not exist" is a true dichotomy, your syllogism isn't about the dichotomy of whether OBEs exist, it's about whether OBEs are possible. Again, a dichotomy is X or NOT-X, and...
  20. Re: Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    Well in the dialogue, they do find out what's in the bag, which is why the dialogue serves as a demonstration of the skeptical principle behind not claiming to know whether it's possible or...
  21. Applying rational skepticism to claims of possible or impossible

    The lack of evidence that something is impossible does not constitute evidence that it is possible. This also means that it is incorrect to consider something possible just because there is a lack of...
  22. Re: An omniscient creation deity invalidates free will

    In both scenarios, was it your free will to have the memory pop up vs. not? It could be argued that, since memories popping up are often described as out of the control of the person having them and,...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Then you are admitting that your logic isn't support for one over the other.

    As I explained, the words themselves are irrelevant - it's the core logical concepts you need to be able to translate...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Again, you have it completely backwards. The argument for why something is true is the rational basis for why we should conclude that it is true, not the other way around. This isn't quite relevant...
  25. Re: An omniscient creation deity invalidates free will

    So the problem I see here is that you're just asserting that they could choose differently - I don't know how you'd go about demonstrating that they could. The problem is compounded by you saying...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Yeah, no. There is a difference, both in fact, and also in a debate. If you want to make the claim that something should be considered possible, then make & support that claim. If you want to make...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    So you are retracting your statement from post #169: "My position is that OBEs are possible."
    Your position/claim is actually X must be considered possible, regardless of whether it actually is...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    There is a difference, however, when you try to claim that "possible" vs. "not proven to be impossible" is a valid dichotomy, which it isn't, as I already explained. Again, your "logic" leads to...
  29. Re: An omniscient creation deity invalidates free will

    This does bring up the question of whether the deity exerted complete (omnipotent?) control over the system when choosing to create it instead of other systems. However, from what I understand of...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Well I guess I should be glad you at least tried to correct your flawed logic, but it's still flawed. Here you've gone from the true dichotomy of possible vs. impossible to the false dichotomy of...
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