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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Support or retract that I have stated that I think it's ill-defined.

    Wow, you still won't acknowledge that twice, in response to criticism about your definition, you made statements of "objective...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Again, the fact that others are not picking up on this and are finding other things to talk about which are based on their individual interests surrounding the question of morality is irrelevant.
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    First, it's not about being "clear enough". I've explained that your definitions aren't clear, period. Second, the standard is based on the definitions and arguments themselves. So since I've...
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    Re: Any prevalent American social issue

    Exactly, and that's the point. If we're to grant the same rights to the fetus as to the 4yr old child, then the fetus doesn't have the right to use her body without her consent, just as the 4yr old...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    "ill-defined" has a simple and easy to understand definition: "not having a clear description or limits; vague". Therefore, there is no requirement to agree upon a standard, since any description...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Mican, I have provided clear explanations using specific references to your posts, which show that your terms are ill-defined. The fact that others are not picking up on this and are finding other...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    I'm sorry, but showing that your argument is ill-defined is a rebuttal.
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    The fact that there are others participating who have not raised these issues does nothing to prove that there are no issues.

    These are the main issues which have been raised as rebuttals to your...
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    Re: Any prevalent American social issue

    The real question around abortion is not whether terminating pregnancies is a bad thing, but whether anyone has rights over a woman's bodily autonomy.

    Here's a scenario: There's a 4yr old child...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    It's not that I think you've been something else, you HAVE been saying very different things about objective morality throughout the thread:

    OP - Objective morality is made up of pronouncements...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I appreciate your suggestion, but there's really no reason for any confusion at this point.
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    Sigh ...

    Squatch, for the last time, there is no conflation other than your own errors. I have been using the verb "mandate" with the same meaning since the very beginning, and incidentally, with the very...
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    Sigh ...

    Again, you seem to be confused about the logic of the comparisons you are making when attempting to refute the comparison I made. The "members" in you offered definition of "law" aren't members of...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Yes. As I stated: I do intend to get to it, but it is quite a lot to respond to.

    Is that going to be a problem for you? Are you not willing/able to address your issues with the use of the verb...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    Can't believe I missed this gem! Two things wrong here:
    Your "access to logic" has already been refuted in your Technological Singularity thread - you really should start taking note of these....
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    ​"My goodness", indeed, Squatch. That definitely is quite a lot to respond to, and I do intend to get to it.

    However, in the meantime, I really must correct you on this "mandate" nonsense, which...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Again, you said god forwards moral positions as your definition of objective morality, not as an example of one way that god can forward moral positions.

    Let's re-cap:
    You (post #158): So I have...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    That's irrelevant. The definition explains the usage of the combination of "secular", "moral", and "system". Picture people coming together - any number - and dealing with morality outside religious...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    So, for the record, you are defining objective morality as positions on morality that are objectively true.

    I'm sorry, but that's how you defined it in your OP (god forwards morals, and an example...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    This definition is not valid or complete since it consists of only an adjverb and an adjective ("objectively true"). What is it? That's what's missing from your definition now considering you've...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Then it depends on how you define it. Are you defining objective morality as moral pronouncements forwarded by an objective source, or is it something else? Further, if you're now saying that...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    No, there is quite a difference between forwarding a pronouncement and creating something in the sense that you have used it. And in the example part you were providing an example of a moral...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    The first issue is that you started by defining objective morality as pronouncements which are forwarded by an objective source, namely god. Now you're saying that the god created morality itself....
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Again, the conclusion being only "morality is objective or subjective" has not been supported, since even if an objective source of morality existed, it still wouldn't preclude other sources of...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Again, since it would not preclude the fact that there is a human source of morality, then it would just be another source forwarding its own morality.

    It's a field which is still fairly unknown...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    A secular moral system (it's not simply a code), or also secular ethics, happens when people deal with morality outside of religious traditions.

    I never stated that every single position held...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Then even if an objective source is demonstrated, it would not negate the existence of the human sources of morality, or its use/implementation.

    One link is to a video, but here is an excerpt from...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    What, so a person doesn't have the right to defend themselves against unwarranted and incorrect accusations? You accused me of using Ad Hom and then of spamming, and I called you on it. In any case,...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Please, my last two posts were in response to your accusation of Ad Hom, where I was merely attempting to clarify where you were coming from. Also, remember that my previous post was pointing out why...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    The question wasn't about relevance. The question was about Ad Hominem, which is a completely separate matter, and grants/implies irrelevance.
    Re-cap:
    1. I asked you whether you are a theist.
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