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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    It's not faith at all, it's reasonable expectation based on facts. The expectation is that what the scientific method indicates is the case is most likely the case, and the facts supporting that...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    So, to clarify, you're referring to the former distress in my post?
    the person's distress is specifically about their being transgendered (like, "Oh no, I'm transgendered, and that's a bad thing.")...
  3. Re: Mind Trapped by - Police vs Citizens - Reaching for a gun?

    After reading up on the incident, it turns out that Brailsford wasn't the one issuing the commands - he's just the one who shot Shaver.

    In any case, I still think the officers handled the...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    It's amusing that you still think focusing on the different forms of slavery is at all relevant the question of whether it's moral to treat another person as property. In any case, the bottom line...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Because that's kinda the definition of consistency with regard to assessing claims.

    By being consistent, one is not guilty of special pleading. Again, it's kinda inherent in the definition.

    One...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Your example is yet again quite vague. Are you referring to a political, racial, ethnic, religious, etc. minority?

    Nor did I say one was.

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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    It's important to be clear about the source of the distress. Based on your statement, it seems like you're saying that the person's distress is specifically about their being transgendered (like, "Oh...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    No, it's forwarded as fact. I guess you're trying to make a clever gotcha here, but you obviously misunderstand what it means for something to be asserted incontrovertibly, as would be required for...
  9. Re: Mind Trapped by - Police vs Citizens - Reaching for a gun?

    They say hindsight is 20/20, but after seeing the full video, I would have to agree that so much was wrong with how Brailsford handled them and the situation. There were just so many signs leading up...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    That's unfortunate, but understandable. With regard to the usual and incorrect theistic claim that the country was built on religious principles, whether it was or wasn't is completely irrelevant to...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    By requiring similar justification for like claims, we are able to avoid mistakes like special pleading. You do think special pleading is not a reliable pathway to truth, right? At this point, I'm...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Again, regardless of the fact that one was already provided, this is, as already explained, irrelevant to the point of the discussion. My "trying to avoid" it is because I have no desire to engage in...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Have it your way, dude. If you want to play games and pretend that you don't know what it means when even your very own government bases its morality on principles such as rational examination of...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Freund, I've given you specific examples, which even which apply to the same kind of rational thought processes you use every day. Again, do you believe in Santa Claus? This is just one example. If...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Dude, not only did I provide a specific example of how each would be used in real life, but I also explained how even you yourself use them. The demonstration is their continued reliability in...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    MT, I provided a clear explanation of why your counter examples (which weren't at all specific, btw, you'd have to be less vague for them to be considered seriously) aren't considered secular...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Add to that the fact that theists not only reject other theistic claims, but also inherently make the positive assertion they are not true (something that theists often accuse atheists of, claiming...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    The definition is quite clear:
    SM: A moral system (morality) which deals with morality outside of religious/theistic/dogmatic traditions and/or claims.

    Therefore, such dogmatic regimes are not...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Yet again, missing the point.
    Lets recap:
    M: I'm applying the same standard that I use for the car to the issue of the supernatural/theistic. I'm being consistent.
    F: You've obviously never...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Wrong. One doesn't need to have been diagnosed in order to have a rational justification to doubt their own experience. Being skeptical of and not simply accepting experiences which do not conform to...
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    Re: Secular Morality vs. Non-Secular Morality

    Unfortunately, those examples are from regimes which wouldn't be recognized as truly SM as defined by the OP since they are all based in dogmatic ideologies. This is more commonly known as the...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Sure, people could have different standards based on varying experiences, but again, if the goal is to have as accurate an understanding of reality as possible, then it's safe to say that there is a...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Lol, you've basically explained how all religions came to be, way to go. In any case, believing they had one specific experience and believing the other claims associated with their theistic beliefs...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, I'm not interested in playing games, Mican. You yourself use certain standards of evidence every day. For example, when you hear about another person claiming they were abducted by aliens, you...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Which I later clarified to not having sufficient evidence. Again, if you want to believe that the type/quality/scope of evidence is not important just because I posted too quickly in a previous post...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, everyday standards, dude. If all you care about is just having evidence, any evidence at all, by all means, go nuts. Let me know how that goes for you.

    No, you defined evidence with "I...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Again, everyday standards, dude. One of those is that the evidence be proportional to the claim. Otherwise, we'd be believing all sorts of contradictory claims (assuming we have the intellectual...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    But you do. You're showing me a person who believes that they saw a car. This is actual and sufficient evidence for me to believe that there was a car. Really, Mican, this isn't rocket science. I'm...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    In your original post, I'm not the one who believes the car was there, you are, so the evidence is for you, not me. If you say you saw a car, then that's what you should say, and that's your evidence...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    You're the one saying that there was a red car, and you are making a statement of fact. On what basis do you make that statement, and why should I believe you that there really was a red car there,...
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