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    Re: ODN Changes

    Here's an update...

    After participating in a thread over the last few days, I've seen firsthand just how antiquated our current system is and it's motivated me to work a bit faster. I'm working...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    But it isn't that "there exists some discrmination" but rather "there exists IDENTICAL discrimination between those who come out and those who do not come out, and that leads to 40% suicide rate."
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    I'm not entirely sure I understand. Are you saying that perhaps groups like African-Americans have a lower suicide rate despite being more discriminated against, is that they have better support...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    To be clear, are you suggesting that the transition itself (either physical or psychological) alleviates the suffering or anxieties? That perhaps going through the process resolves issues, helps the...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    But it was never claimed that there exists no anxiety about how others treat those of your group. The issue isn't that there exists anxiety, stress, or suicides. The issue is that there exists an...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    So NOT experiencing any discrimination and fearing it, is the SAME amount of stress as experiencing it? Where is the evidence of that?

    And where is the evidence that not experiencing...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Before I respond, I'd like it if you could respond to 2 important points.

    1) The 40*% rate applies to both transgender people who have come out as transgender and may or may not have been...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    The evidence is that the ONLY group(s) that experience that high of a suicide rate are those under the most extreme environments, for instance, Jews under Nazi rule, African slaves, pre-Civil rights...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    No, the 4% is in reference the general population rate. The 36% is the difference between the general population rate of suicide and transgender rate of suicide. There appears to be NO evidence that...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    The argument, as I understand it, or at least, the one I'd make, is that one reason that seems to support that transgenderism is a mental disorder, is the fact that there is a 40%+ suicide rate for...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Is there any evidence whatsoever that transgender discrimination causes a 36% increase in suicide rates? That the amount of discrimination that transgenders experience is on par with that experienced...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Good explanation, thank you.

    In addition to #3 however, re an objection being that discrimination/bullying is a primary cause of suicide, we also know that this cannot be true because suicide...
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    Re: Our Racist National Anthem

    To add to the source material, here's an interesting CNN article that addresses some of the issues: http://www.cnn.com/2016/08/31/opinions/star-spangled-banner-criticisms-opinion-clague/index.html
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    Re: ODN Changes

    Hey Gal, long time.

    And I agree 100% with you on this. My kids are coming of age as well and I've mentioned some of the discussions that have taken place on ODN. I've been proud of some of them...
  15. Re: Antifa and BLM are Terrorist Organizations

    Antifa routinely targets ANYONE who opposes their views. They have targeted blacks and Hispanics who oppose their view, and they have assaulted them. They have targeted and assaulted Jews and women...
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    Re: ODN Changes

    Make the conversion? Yes. I know how to do it. I'm a WordPress developer, I have a license for XenForo (which I just renewed), so now it's an issue of getting the WP framework together and bridging...
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    Re: ODN Changes

    A quick update....

    Looks like in theory, a conversion rom vBulletin (the forum platform we are using now) to XenForo will go smoothly and use a brand new database. It will import only basic forum...
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    Re: ODN Changes

    We actually had a 1 v 1 format back in our prime. People would register and they would be locked into the thread (meaning no one else could post). Then the community or a set of judges would rate the...
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    Re: ODN Changes

    Thanks Belthazor! A big part of the site staying up for as long as it has, even after myself and several vets "retired" was due to the fact that I enjoyed the idea of it being an archive of great...
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    ODN Changes

    Hey guys! Long time no see!

    I just wanted to let those who WERE still here know, that I plan on making some big changes to ODN here in the next month or so. Traffic is dead, activity is slowed...
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    75% off discount for all ODN members!

    http://www.onlinedebate.net/images/Udemy.jpgFor those who don't know, Udemy.com is an online video course system where professional instructors, industry professionals, industry teaching companies,...
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    Re: Rose Garden "Fainting" Was Staged

    He probably had an earpiece and was notified what was happening behind him.

    I watched the video. It does make some good points. However, it could also all just be coincidence.

    I just don't see...
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    Re: the debate of animal rights

    OK JImJones, I'm getting a clearer picture of your position I think. A couple more questions though...

    1) As you have described your position, it seems as if truth is subjective, not objective....
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    Re: I'm uncomfortable.

    Well, I think that view is best represented in its higher category: "Agnosticism." It makes no statement about possibility of knowledge of God's existence. The Hard/Soft take Agnosticism a step...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    I'm skipping a few points as the discussion is getting long-winded. Let me know if I miss something I should have addressed.



    Not at all. Extraordinary claims require sufficient support, end,...
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    Re: the debate of animal rights

    How is this not a contradictory statement? If something is arbitrary and contradictory, you cannot justify it by definition.


    Advocating torture is not synonymous with having lack of...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    Right. And? Their misunderstanding or lack of knowledge doesn't make something true or false. What does that have to do with truth discovery by using proper evidence and reasoning? Once we have the...
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    Re: the debate of animal rights

    The issue of animal rights seems to be contingent upon one's world view, or the way the world is. For example...I do not see how one could justify animal rights if one subscribes to naturalism, it...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    By what we know about the evidence we have.

    We have no reason to believe the magic trick is real because we know that tricks like this are done with mirrors (a few have used trap doors or...
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    Re: Bayes and Philosophy

    No we don't. Just like we have a variety of ways to evaluate an event. You are limiting yourself. You may not be able to properly evaluate X at a particular time with insufficient methods, data, and...
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