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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Falling further behind:

    Please note that there are challenges in here. Continued maintenance of any of these claims without support is a rule violation.



    Do you have evidence that the...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Because there weren't any. If there were, feel free to offer them here, but this comes off as simple bravado. Even more so since your "source" is a Wordpress personal page (and thus doesn't count...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Again, random internet guy < Harvard, Yale, Oxford academics with significant citations.
    But of course, you never reviewed the source, did you?

    Notice that they said "We have already shown?" ...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Also, I'm not sure you know what this word means. That you've adopted the interpretation of Southern farmers isn't factually incorrect, rather the opposite. That we should reject your...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Yay, taking people out of context is fun!

    Here is what I actually said:

    Literally this is translated as “take possession through inheritance (yarash) of the possession (‘achuzzah) that is...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Except, that is quite literally what they were saying:
    The Greek word being used here (http://www.sacred-texts.com/bib/poly/sir033.htm) is ἐλευθερία (before you get worked up, this is a root)....
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Repeating an untenable claim does not make it more valid. Language is, by its very definition, the shared inference of meaning. Yet you are arguing that there is a no inference here. That is an...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    So your OP is:

    P1) The bible allows for slavery.
    P2) The bible fails to express any clear moral opposition to slavery.
    P3) I, future, think slavery is morally problematic.
    C) I don't feel...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Thank you for the answer.

    Now, do you see why your conclusion doesn't follow your premises? Why does future thinking that A is a problem mean that Mican or Mindtrap shouldn't consider it a...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    You are missing the point of the question. It isn't about whether I think it is wrong. It is about the scope of your conclusion. Does it mean that the Bible cannot be seriously considered as a...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    You didn't answer the question. Is it your claim that this conclusion is for you, the individual, or is it supposed to apply to everyone?
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Ahh, but where would I know that in the argument made?

    P1) The bible allows for charity.
    P2) The bible fails to express any clear moral opposition to charity.
    C) The bible cannot be seriously...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    While I'm drafting the rest of the response, I think it would be profitable to pursue the core argument a bit, it might clarify some of the disupte and help us stream line a response. Please bear...
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    Re: Global warming.

    I would assume that was what he meant in that response. It is certainly a closer estimate to what the IPCC issued in its last assessment. Warming is, after all, the metric that matters here, right?...
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    Re: Global warming.

    There are two issues with your characterization with Belthazor's position (Belthazor, feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

    1) He absolutely explained the observed historical warming. From post...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Below are the sections not responded to. Note: There are challenges issued in those sections. The claims challenged are de facto retracted until support is offered. Further usage of these claims...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I'm afraid that isn't how it works here at ODN. You don't simply get to point to a link and say "see that is what it says." Ignoring the fact that you seem to have missed over the concept of how...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    As Stefan Molyneaux is fond of saying, "Not an argument." It is also a good example of what happens when someone without training ignore experts in the field. Do you have a coherent set of reasons...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    More importantly, given that we are making reference to others' understanding of moral law, the question you didn't answer seems relevant. If those Christians had access too, and referenced outside...
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    Re: Global warming.

    The report (notice that it isn't a study, this is a political report, not a scientific peer reviewed study) has been lampooned by actual physicists and climate scientists:

    From physicist Steve...
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    Re: Republican Hypocracies

    Then can you support that Alex Jones by himself constitutes "right wing corporate media." c




    I don't see how this could possibly be a true statement, we talked about them 3 posts ago in post...
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    Re: Republican Hypocracies

    That is certainly an odd interpretation. Is that really your explanation of President Obama's actions? That he "hates the military?"




    Again, that quote doesn't support your claim. That was...
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    Re: Republican Hypocracies

    PGA2, this is an insufficient argument and constitutes LinkWarz here at ODN. To whit:


    Quoting External Sources
    You are encouraged to provide support for any claims you make through the use of...
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    Re: Republican Hypocracies

    No, you said: "it was 12 days before the president publicly acknowledged the deaths."

    The deaths were acknowledged 11 hours after the initial briefing. Unless you are claiming that DoD isn't part...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Corporations are made up of people too, but my ownership of a corporation does not mean I own its people, right? Entities can have personhood aside from the individuals constituting them.

    Your...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    How interesting. Perhaps the definition of chattel directly helps? Or any of these?

    Sociology dictionary:
    (noun) Slavery in which one individual owns another individual. ...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    Perhaps a better way to approach this disconnect is for us to review the thread for the most recent agreed formulation of the OP. The most recent (and it seems more or less accepted) formulation was...
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    Re: Republican Hypocracies

    That's a pretty strong counterfactual. Can you provide direct evidence that this is the case or are you simply stating an opinion?




    Mr. Trump is, in fact the President now, but the...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    I understand why it might feel like I'm playing games, but I'm being honest here. I want to help us clarify the actual argument in order to move the debate forward. It does neither of us any good...
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    Re: Republican Hypocracies

    So...if they don't follow your specific conclusion they are invalid? The CNN article doesn't call for investigations either. [Also, if you think Red State is carrying water for President Trump, you...
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