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  1. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    Thanks for the Thread, and posts. It is a very interesting proposition.

    If I could try to summarize my middle ground between those two, it is first to say that some things are paid for, but yet...
  2. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    Question #1 -
    First, before Christ came there were no sacrifices for sin. In other words, the blood of animals did not pay for sin, they were only a shadow and a picture of things to come.
    So the...
  3. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    Thanks, I appreciate that.



    What was finished-
    I agree that the payment for sin was finished, and the picture the NT gives is that all in "Abraham bosom" were brought to heaven. What is thus...
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    Re: Any prevalent American social issue

    future- there are two approaches when dealing with unknown consequence.
    1- Without full disclosure the person can not actually consent.
    2- Is is a result that exists regardless of knowledge,(edit)...
  5. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    Excellent point.
    I'll answer with a question.
    A man murders his wife, and the judge gives him the death penalty.
    Did the Judge also rule a punishment on his children, who now grow up without a...
  6. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    I would argue that judgment by it's nature is reactive, not preemptive. So if God decreed that your hand wouldn't grow back.. when everyone else naturally does, then that would be a "punishment". ...
  7. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    If I cut my hand off, do I lack a hand because God decreed that cutting your hand of will be punished with a life without a hand.
    Or.
    Is the natural logical conclusion to cutting your hand off,...
  8. Christianity: Re: Can a true Christian believer get punished for sin?

    First I think there is a distinction in regards to a kind of "faith only" approach to salvation.
    I think some of the examples of believers being punished for sin, is because that is only half the...
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    Re: Any prevalent American social issue

    I mean of course I don't think so, I'm pro life :)
    The major and core issue is always if the unborn is a person. I think Ben Shapiro makes a solid point when he said that any line of requirement...
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    Re: Any prevalent American social issue

    not sure of the full context here, but the idea of consenting to some action, but not a specific natural effect of that action, seems counter intuitive. suppose i were a hired stunt man, in a test of...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    Let me try to clarify what I mean by "access".

    So you are referring to "ordered" thought. When I think of that, I think ordered by logic or according to the rules of logic for the sake of logic....
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    First, I was not arguing that because I don't know, thus there is no proof.
    I was making the point that we obsere no evidence that knowledge and thing without substance like mathmatics, have any...
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    Re: ODN Changes

    Looking forward to it.
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    Relevant link on popular support...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/poll-shows-most-americans-want-keep-racism-tainted-165839884.html
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    --devils advocate portion----



    http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/Explore/Monuments-and-Memorials/Confederate-Memorial

    This is as is ought to have been. These people died for slavery and died...
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    Yes, it is a free country, and I am indeed free to divorce the two and people are free to think what they want. Thank you for that astute observation. Unlike all those others you speak of I have...
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    over simplification, many were fighting simply to preserve their state from federal invasion, the political cause may have had to do with slavery, but the soldiers bleeding and dying were not the...
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    Re: The Cleansing of the South

    also from your link


    So, it is very clear that the monument in question is to the individuals and the bravery that they displayed. Basically, people today want to act in a way that Lincoln was...
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    Re: Objective morality vs. subjective morality

    Is that an objective or subjective state?
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    On naturalism that is a very serious problem. .. How does a spider know how to spin a web indeed. I have used that example exactly as evidence of God and why evolution can not explain such things. ...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    I agree, and I think this point bolsters my position.



    The number of chemical interactions is not really the point. The point is that when you talk about "ordered thought" you certainly don't...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    So.. are we back to thinking rabbits have thoughts? :)

    Anyway.. It is the "a rabbit who doesn't have those thoughts" is where the flaw is.
    There is in fact many other thoughts that are illogical...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    Given a logical fallacy, there doesn't need to be any particular wrong thought, because it doesn't logically follow anyway.
    The bunny could think "i want o be blue, so I will fly like a bird" as...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    Yea, as long as the ultimate reason you think X, is because of the rules that govern chemical reactions, then it is NOT the rules that govern logic. Thought x leads to thought y, not because it...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    Right. Good question.

    So, I agree with all that you quoted. The objection I am raising is a bit different.

    Namely, logic and thoughts deal with ideas. Such that idea X logically follows from...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    @ Jagg..
    I pretty much agree and appreciate all that you said.



    I certainly treat (or really, really try) those I am debating as though they have ACCESS to reason, and can in fact be...
  27. Mind Trapped by - Trump vs North Korea - fire and fury

    http://abcnews.go.com/International/trumps-threat-load-nonsense-north-koreas-military/story?id=49123733
    Link is to a ABC news report about current events. Specifically around Trumps "fire and fury"...
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    Re: Who are we to question the gods?

    @ Jagg, thanks for all the kind comments. Sorry to hear that you had to read my posts :)

    Thanks for the questions.



    My understanding of Presuppositionaslism has changed since that post. ...
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    Re: How is Religious Exemption Constitutional?

    Actually it is, but we have discussed this point enough in past posts.


    I think you may have misunderstood. I was not referring to religious exemptions, rather the broader instances of...
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    Re: Slavery and the bible as a moral guide

    All fine points.
    First, the "owning labor" is a term used by me, in response to future boys quoted source (see post *8).
    Also, as long as the person is "owned" the duration and conditions are not...
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