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  1. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    That's why the question, "What do you mean by 'nature'" is so important...and why it so seldom gets answered.

    If there is a "god"...the god is almost certainly a part of nature...and is NOT...
  2. Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Futureboy...Squatch

    Although I am not participating here, I am enjoying the rigorous discussion you guys are having.

    I am much more in tune with the arguments Futureboy is making, but it is...
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    Re: RIP Stephen Hawking

    RIP, indeed.

    This is a huge loss to science...and for "thinking" in general. I cannot imagine what he might have done if he had not had to deal with the effects of his disease.

    I'm sure he will...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    "Gotta get a bigger boat"...and..."Hooper drives the boat, Chief" are heard in our house at least once a month. Every month.




    Went to Universal Studios in LA a few years back...and saw the...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Honestly...not a movie or TV show.

    Have you been watching any golf? Football?

    We can discuss those things.

    Any Broadway, off Broadway, off, off Broadway shows?
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Too bad you didn't see "Being There"...a Peter Sellers hit. It was a terrific movie (although I think Sellers was better in Dr. Strangelove)...and was discussed in another forum where I participate....
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Nonsense.

    YOUR definition REQUIRES that a god exists...and sets that "no gods exist" as an impossibility...AND IT DOES THAT ABSOLUTELY GRATUITOUSLY.

    So, essentially you are saying to me that...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Sure.

    You are being unreasonable. I hope that helps.

    - - - - - -

    If you want to take on the task of answering, "Can we determine if at least one god exists (in other words, if any gods...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    MT…I disagree with your characterization of my proposal completely. The definition I offered is sound and appropriate. What you want me to do is to concede the argument…and then proceed to the...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    You are welcome.





    No it isn't just a reference to our states of mind. Quite the opposite, in fact. Without it, we devolve into "just our states of mind."

    IT IS AN INTEGRAL PART OF THE...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Yeah, I think it is unfair.

    You also think it is unfair...and suppose it to be contrary to my agnosticism. You told me it was strange that I would accept a definition of "gods are impossible"...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    What I was trying to do...was to tell you that your notion of how we should "define" a god...was absurd. Every bit as absurd as the one I chose.

    Obviously I failed at that.




    Okay.
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    VERY EASILY...IF YOU READ WHAT I WROTE.

    This IS NOT MY DEFINITION...IT IS A DEFINITION.

    I thought I made that pretty clear...since I used English words.



    Done.
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Okay...that's fair.

    First a few comments about the definition you used:

    People who posit a definition of god as “a necessary being”…are essentially defining a god as something that ABSOLUTELY...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    I'm not going to go through the rest of this...although I read the entire post...because the most important part is the part that I enlarged.

    I, PERSONALLY, am not going to have a discussion about...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    One...I am not being "needlessly hostile"...nor hostile at all. I want you to understand that I finally have found what I was looking for here...and I must acknowledge that I thought that would not...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Okay...I counter with god is not defined as a necessary being. Or...god is defined as blah, blah, blah.

    Which do we go with?

    And why?
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Last things first.

    I AM a fan of the NY Football Giants. My wife and I have a house festooned with Giants regalia...and our porch sports a Giants flag or banner most of the year. But this year has...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Yes.



    We are communicating...but I would say NOT VERY WELL.

    I just deleted the balance of your post.

    Let's start over again.
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    You are asserting the need for a "necessary being."

    I am saying it is a gratuitous assertion. The reason I am saying that...is because it is.




    Thus we have proved the contrary. (See how...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Okay...we will do it your way.

    Your problem is with logic in general. You are simply asserting the existence of a "necessary being." You are doing that gratuitously...and I reject it. (See how...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    I contend...and will insist...that you cannot gratuitously assert that a "necessary being" is a "necessary being"...unless you are willing to allow me to gratuitously assert that there is no such...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    I hope you do better on one of the longer ones.

    If we are going to work with you being allowed to assert "(what you term) God (not just any god)...is a "necessary being"...there is nowhere to go....
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    I can condense this even further.

    I did not say "we must first start with if God exists."

    I said we must first start with, "Can we determine if at least one god exists (in other words, if any...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Wow...okay. But if you are asking me if I think it to be a requirement that we do...or if I would do it...my answer would be an unqualified NO.

    Gods may very well exist...I acknowledge that, MT....
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    Re: Destruction of archaeological sites

    Appreciate your comments...and agree with many.

    Best I refrain from posting here. I'm having a private discussion right now...and checking in regularly to read what others write on the topics that...
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    Re: Mind Trapped By: Omnibus ask anything.

    Thank you, MT.

    Your question is: Does the presupposition that God does or doesn't exist effect how we start to have conversations to begin with?

    I assume that by "conversations"...you mean...
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    Re: Destruction of archaeological sites

    Like I said...my guess is the reason this site is so poorly populated, is because of nonsense like this.

    I wanted to start a thread titled, "Most people agree that the sky looks blue to people on...
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    Re: Destruction of archaeological sites

    Antiquities are relics from humanity's past; they are used by scholars to study how we got to where we are...and all have value (some, admittedly, more than others). Most people would realize that...
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    Re: Destruction of archaeological sites

    Anyone who destroys antiquities...is a low-life form.

    One has to feel pity for them. They are like pond scum.
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