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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    I'm not sure I can say it better than I have been trying, but I will take another crack at it.

    If God created man, and man has had limitations since creation, where else could he acquired them?
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Energy exists.

    If by "empty" you mean "absolutely nothing" then the question is nonsensical. Because if "absolutely nothing" existed it would no longer be nothing would it?

    It is just like...
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    It will never cease to amaze me how far liberals go to make sure they never do wrong...

    So ok, all life on Earth shares a common ancestry. I guess we should just change the definition, and let...
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Why does the year an obviously false claim is made matter?
    One drop" is ridiculous.

    If you have relevant material to add to the conversation, ADD IT. Otherwise "There is also secondary source...
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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    Well you mentioned our cognitive abilities for instance. How about there is a lot of light out there, humans can only see a vey small portion of that spectrum, which is just an example of our limited...
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Let's stick with me defending claims I actually make shall we...

    She claimed she was an American Indian (#64) based on she thought she had some heritage somewhere in the past based on some family...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Just a point to make sure you saw I was forwarding another persons idea, not necessarily my own.

    I personally generally agree with you and was just trying to submit a rebuttal to forward the...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    You and I are contemporaries. I assume English (more accurately "American English") is both our first languages? Yet we struggle to get our ideas across effectively don't we? If I didn't know you...
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    I have no idea what you are asking here, but more to the point,

    did you have a rebuttal of post #64, or my point stands?
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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    Since man has had these limitations since creation, if God didn't create humans this way, how did they acquire them?

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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    Not so much unless you can refute post #64 (for instance).

    For the sake of the Op, there is not much wiggle room.

    I'm not saying this means she shouldn't be president or supreme court justice...
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    Re: What is a Fair Share of taxes for the Rich?

    To really determine a "persons fair share of costs" of gov't ought to start with are the expenditures justified. After all we currently borrow nearly $.50 for every $1.00 the federal gov't spends!...
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    Re: Elizabeth Warren: Cherokee or Fraud?

    In sticking with the Op then, one must pick fraud...
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    Faith: Re: The soul does not exist

    Agreed, religions are pretty much mutually exclusive and rely on similar evidence to forward their truth, but the "soul" does seem kinda universal. I don't disagree with your conclusion so much as I...
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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    Since humans have had these limitations since they were created, it seems to fallow they were created that way.

    What is the alternative?

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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    Because we have had them since Adam and Eve.

    There are no Christians teachings that state mans ability to process information, nor our senses have been altered by any source other than God.
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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    God made man. Man's abilities, cognitive and perceptual, are limited.

    What Christian teaching does not support this?

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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    Unless you are saying humans do not have those attributes, we acquired them somehow, if not God, how?

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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    By the way Scooter, Twit, God (first cause) could not have existed prior to T-0 cause there isn't a before,... per you, remember?...
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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    Great!

    Now God also created humans with their myriad of emotions, biases, limited senses (as in there is much more light available to see if our eyes were capable of it for instance) and cognitive...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Still awake ;)
    (though not the objection you are thinking I think?...)



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    It was a lively part of our...
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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    God created the universe and Earth.
    He decided how matter would interact, how strong gravity would be, and all other natural laws.

    Are we good so far?...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Yet they are just NOT part of the evolution of life on Earth! Unless they and we were directly related, they would be observing Earth's evolution, not be a part of it, which kinda by definition makes...
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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    A paraphrase to be sure, however what part do see as incompatible with Christianity?

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    Why would you...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Limited in overall ability to perceive, at God's will.

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    1. It would be natural to generally look to what...
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    Re: The problem of divine hiddenness

    It means God made the universe, decided how it would function, thru humans in it with their "limited abilities" to perceive/understand.
    When you make all the rules but limit the ability of the...
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    Re: Science says Liberals are Psychos

    I would agree that people in general are getting more extreme about politics!

    I also agree that the left (the understanding, inclusive, all about other people opinions) seems (at lest to me) to be...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    YES!!!

    :)

    (that this isn't the case makes the Christian idea suspect. not proving it wrong to be sure, but grounds for honest skepticism.)

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    Re: Mind Trapped by: One Trap to rule them all

    Oh no..I mean agreed. common descent is only supported by biology. I more meant geology shows the Earth and life changing over time (for instance).

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    Re: Mind Trapped by: One Trap to rule them all

    To be a scientific theory is has to accommodate:

    https://www.thoughtco.com/scientific...nitions-604138
    "A scientific theory summarizes a hypothesis or group of hypotheses that have been supported...
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