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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Sure I have.

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    What about where an employer fired someone and it was legal to do so? The who pays?

    My...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Then you're in the wrong place.

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    A single example? I'm not sure there is one. Although all of the...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Ok, I've presented examples of federal laws which were an injustice to all homosexuals who were subject to them. We can add to that all of the state and local laws, policies of private organizations...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Good. So the injustices of past persecution have not been rectified and you agree that they should be.

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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Persecution is an injustice.

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    The injustice of persecution is made up of many aggregate factors. Unless...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    You're not. You're responsible for correcting it in seeing that justice is done.

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    Sure I have. The...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Moving the goal posts. You're not culpable, you're responsible.

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    So that teacher from my example, who...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Because society is responsible.

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    I'm not talking about a specific instance of injustice, you are. I'm...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Right, not a fact but a social fact. From google dictionary:

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    Are you saying that nobody from 40...
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    Yes, it can take many forms from a general social attitude to the most heinous sanctions (laws).

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    Right,...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Yes, it exists as a social fact in an external sense from the individual, the agreed upon (constructed) way of doing something by the base of society (not necessarily the majority). Individuals then...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Because it is taken as a social fact - an objective - until it no longer is. That is until the social base no longer supports it - enough people stop internalizing it as a way of "that is how things...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Not quite the same way I don't think Victoria ordered people to be stoned to death, just wanted it stopped in polite society.
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    No. "in a manner and scope that had not existed before"

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    Because it is subjective in that it can be...
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    Which, either way, is, again, support for homophobia as a social construct.

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    Sure it is. It describes...
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    I'll do better...here's who constructed it:



    *constructed

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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Wait, ok I think I see where you're going. You're saying homosexuals don't reproduce. Which is wrong and I brought it up before. Heterosexuals don't reproduce for any number of reasons.

    Let's...
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    Right, you have no argument concerning social constructs. So no error.

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    I'm not sure what force you're...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    I've already agreed that not every thing must be required to be a natural condition. That says nothing about social constructs.
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    Because what different societies find attractive varies between cultures and across time. Oh, I'm sure I've heard of some attractiveness standards that bridge cultures, such as a semitric looking...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    You compared it with a disease. If you aren't comparing it that your argument is irrelevant.
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    Societies choose what they find attractive.

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    Then how can you compare it to something that is natural? ...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    This was the latest instance, post 153. The "things that aren't necessary" you gave an example of as a disease which is biological construct. You then compared that to homophobia (a social...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    There's nothing to misread. You compared a societal construct with a biological mechanism, that is a false equivalence. They are not the same.

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    Ok, right, and you made the equivocation error comparing a societal construct to a disease which is a biological one.

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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Ok, describe that bias.
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    Wasn't that your argument to make? I think it was. That it is natural.

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    Not just homosexuals. Again,...
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    Maybe in a biological setting. Maybe.

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    Ok, I can agree to that somewhat regarding the actual physical...
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    Right, I don't think I'm doubting your analysis since you've done so much work on this. If the demand is there I would the owner cut hours more? Or something else such as training.
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    Re: Gay Reparations

    I'm not sure. That's why I said tentatively. What natural pressures? To reproduce?

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    Not in a social...
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