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    But them I'm pretty sure almost everyone else thinks that there is a significant difference between something that can contribute to a disorder and the disorder itself. If you fail to notice the...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    I didn't offer a rebuttal because I wasn't going to respond to your post until you either support that I said what you claimed I said or retracted it. Thank you for showing the showing the decency...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Your claim that I said that transgenderism is a carcinogen. Neither of the quotes you pasted say that.

    Really, I was hoping you'd have the decency to retract an offensive claim that you...
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    The difference is not merely semantic (as in it's just about what word we are using). The cause of the disease and the disease itself are indeed two different things. I mean I can point out...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    mental disorder any clinically significant behavioral or psychological syndrome characterized by distressing symptoms, significant impairment of functioning, or significantly increased risk of death,...
  6. Re: Shouldn't there be a thread on sexual harassment?

    So i can't say you, Ibelsd, committed murder? But I can say that. Hey everyone, Ibelsd committed murder! (Obviously I'm saying that only as a debate example and do not forward that, you, Ibelsd,...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    But we are still using the clinical definition of a "disorder".

    Someone crying so hard that they aren't paying attention and walking into traffic would suffice as "harmful grieving" but does not...
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    For simplicities sake within the debate, I've said "harmful grieving" but the notion that "harmful grieving" would actually be a valid definition for a disorder is not supported at all. In fact, I...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Only because it makes perfect sense to do so and you have presented no rebuttal to this notion. If you don't agree with the DSM, and it's clear that you do not, then you can't use them for support...
  10. Re: Shouldn't there be a thread on sexual harassment?

    Only if they are giving the kind of punishment reserved for the legal system. Just saying that someone broke the law is not rendering punishment.



    When it comes to the legal process, giving...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    And we weren't discussing disorders at all?

    I was referring to the difference between grieving and a disorder so why you are saying "WTH" for me demonstrating the difference by introducing an...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    If grieving becomes depression (which is a disorder), then one suffers from:

    "a mood disorder marked especially by sadness, inactivity, difficulty in thinking and concentration, a significant...
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    It is given a different name because it is something different.



    It is not just an issue of semantics. It is something different than just grieving. Grieving may have lead to the disorder but...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    When eating becomes harmful, it is no longer just eating. It is technically something else. And that something else, when identified, has a name and the name is not "eating". It's "anorexia" or...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    I disagree with the way you are phrasing it.

    Change it to:

    "Not everyone that grieves has a disorder, but one can have a disorder that is related to grieving" and I agree.

    So I assume that...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Then I misspoke. I meant that grieving can be the basis of a disorder. But grieving itself is not a disorder.



    But "eating habits" and just "eating" are not the same thing.

    Eating is not...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Future,

    I get that you are looking for a specific belief to examine to see if it's rational or not so I will provide something that I believe in that is supernatural (note that this may be a...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    I don't agree with the notion that anything can be a disorder. Something either is a disorder or it is not a disorder.

    This might be better clarified if we use disease instead of disorder. A...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    I'm reading your posts. And as I said, I don't think they are really providing a valid argument in regards to whether transgenderism is or is not a disorder which is the topic of this debate.

    You...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    Of course one should question it. But that doesn't mean that one should never believe that it actually happened, since it's possible that it did happen (unless one can prove that it didn't happen)....
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    As your article noted, many professionals disagree with the new classifications for the DSM so it's not at all true that expert opinions need to rely on the DSM.
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    But I addressed this issue with the rest of my post. To repeat:

    2. Extraordinary beliefs require stronger first-hand evidence. Of course, unlike something supernatural, there isn't much reason...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Actually, I find this to be off-topic to any argument that I am making. If I were using the DSM as support for my argument, then questioning the DSM would be relevant to my argument. But I'm not...
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    But I don't see where anyone has said the normal grieving is a disorder. In fact, he said "will become" as in he's predicting that in the future something like this will happen which would indicate...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    I was asked for what I think so I will forward my position here.

    First off, as far as I can tell, the issue is whether it can be rational to hold theistic beliefs. I hold that it can be and will...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    I doubt the DSM is referring to NORMAL grieving as a disorder. To put it in layman's terms, a disorder is a problem that someone has so of course a mental disorder is a mental problems. If someone...
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    Re: Gay/Transgender

    Then one could make the case that they are suffering from a dysphoria.
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    And I would assume that every schizophrenic that you've worked with has been diagnosed with schizophrenia. So if one has no known mental illness nor is on drugs, then drugs and mental illness are...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    First off my statement was not wrong. I did not say that mental illness or LSD is the only reason that one may doubt their experiences. Of course it's always a judgment call but the more vivid the...
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    Re: Theistic beliefs are not rationally justified

    There is nothing in the OP that differentiates the two and they both very much qualify as theistic beliefs. Nor are they mutually exclusive. A person can have some kind of experience that leads...
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