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    Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    If your a devote Christian and someone in your family (brother, sister, mother, uncle, whatever) suddenly changed their religion to something that does not believe in the Christian god and they started raising their young kids with their new beliefs. Would you intervene and if so how far would you go?

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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    I think the answers that people give to this question, if they do answer it, are going to be very telling...

    Interesting topic.
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by daman View Post
    If your a devote Christian and someone in your family (brother, sister, mother, uncle, whatever) suddenly changed their religion to something that does not believe in the Christian god and they started raising their young kids with their new beliefs. Would you intervene and if so how far would you go?
    I have family members who are atheists. They are good peeps, they are family, I love 'em.

    But they should raise their children as they see fit. They are responsible for their child's upbringing. As an uncle of those children, I have no right whatsoever to intervene. Nor does my family have a right to intervene in how I raise my children.

    This doesn't mean that when we are together I "hide" my beliefs. I won't act differently around them, I won't stop saying prayers before meals when they are visiting. But I won't take them aside and say "Hey kid, your parents are wrong, I have the truth, light and the way."

    This isn't a particular religion thing as much as it is following the appropriate role as a family member thing.
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Yeah, I agree with Apok. It's not my place to tell family members how to raise their children.
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Same as Apok and phrique said.
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Could you sensible folk have a talk with my aunt, please? =)
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Interesting... What about if your own child (that you are still legally responsible for because they are under 18) changed to a non-christian religion?

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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Depends on the religion, if my son changed to Budhism or something non-destructive thats his choice. If he changed to some kind of wahhabi version of Islam, I would have to step in.
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Squatch347 View Post
    Depends on the religion, if my son changed to Budhism or something non-destructive thats his choice. If he changed to some kind of wahhabi version of Islam, I would have to step in.
    But wouldn't you fear that he would not go to heaven since he has rejected the salvation that Jesus provided?

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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    I would, but I can't force someone to believe, it means nothing then, all I can do is be a good example (as is true for everyone), as long as the religion isn't self destructive, he will find his way. Besides, if I come in and crush his attempts at exploration, two things will happen, he will resent it (and be further pushed away), and I show a profound lack of faith in God. Plus the whole free will thing from other threads ;-)
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Yeah, like Squatch said, as long as it's not something self-destructive (or outwardly destructive) there's not much you can do. I'll raise my little girl Christian, but if, down the road, she decides it's not for her that's her choice.

    If you truly believe the Christian teaching that God gave us all free will, then how can we honestly not allow our children that very right?
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    you would only try to stop them taking an destructive religion, how can you get any more damaging to oneself than damning your eternal soul?


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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    But how could you change it? You can't force your child to believe something elio.
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Apokalupsis View Post
    I have family members who are atheists. They are good peeps, they are family, I love 'em.

    But they should raise their children as they see fit. They are responsible for their child's upbringing. As an uncle of those children, I have no right whatsoever to intervene. Nor does my family have a right to intervene in how I raise my children.

    This doesn't mean that when we are together I "hide" my beliefs. I won't act differently around them, I won't stop saying prayers before meals when they are visiting. But I won't take them aside and say "Hey kid, your parents are wrong, I have the truth, light and the way."

    This isn't a particular religion thing as much as it is following the appropriate role as a family member thing.
    So, do you think that your staying out of their family affairs justifies their going to hell, should something happen to them?
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by daman View Post
    Interesting... What about if your own child (that you are still legally responsible for because they are under 18) changed to a non-christian religion?
    It's not something I'd be particularly "happy" about. I know we'd have quite a few discussions on religion and world view, but they certainly wouldn't be disowned and I wouldn't attempt to force them to believe something that they opposed or objected to. I'd encourage through reason and dialog.


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    So, do you think that your staying out of their family affairs justifies their going to hell, should something happen to them?
    I can only do as the many people described in the Bible did...encourage, teach, set an example and pray. In the end, it's their decision and I have to respect that. I can hope for the best, but I can't force them to it.

    It's the whole leading horse to water thingy.
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Quote Originally Posted by Squatch347 View Post
    But how could you change it? You can't force your child to believe something elio.
    But surely their are ways other than FORCING it down their throat which is no doubt what you assume I mean. What I in fact mean is should they convert surely you would do SOMETHING. Whatever you think at the time is most likely to bring them permanently back to the religion, whether that is subtle or blatant.
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    All that you can really do (depending on the child's age) is be a good example.
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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    One of my younger cousins who I held and played with as a baby and love a lot, although I don't see her much, is being raised by non-Christians. Her mom was raised Christian but now isn't, and her dad is Jewish. The way I see it, considering the tremendous influence parents have on children, and the fact that she's still so young (10-12 I think), the rare times I see her, all I can do is try and show her Christ-like behavior. Now, when she's older, I will definitely try and talk to her about God at some point.

    But to be honest, it's irrelevant that we're biologically related. What about non-relatives I see more than her who aren't believers? Christ said to consider our true family to be fellow believers, and to try and help all people we encounter to join that family.

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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Well, I don't know if this is entirely relevant, but I was raised in a "split" family.

    My mother was Catholic, whereas my father was atheist, and so were their respective families. Whenever I was with my mothers parents I had to say grace, go to church on sundays etc etc. However at home, this was not necessary, yet i did go to a Catholic primary and secondary school.

    My father never actively tried to turn us away from our religion, though he did make it clear that he didnt believe if the topic came up. I was quite a devout believer until around 4 years ago, when I started to question my religion. This was a personal development, and one which I believe was sparked by the somewhat illogical nature of the "religious education" classes at high school as opposed to the interverance of my father.

    What I am trying to demonstrate is that when it comes down to it, for most people it will be a personal choice whether they truly believe in a religion or whether they don't. The influences of others will always have to be weighed against your own judgements as an individual.

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    Re: Your ex-Christian relative teaches their kids an anti Christian Religion

    Their kid, they get to raise him. I'd be open to talk to him about religion, but his parents are responsible for raising him, not me.
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