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    Manhunt 2 video game banned for sadism

    A video game has finally been banned for being too violent. From what I read I don't see how this game is different than say the popular game 'Hitman' or other clones of the same nature. I don't think the government should ban this game. They should put the appropriate warning on it, make sure stores don't sell it too kids, but not ban it all together.

    Has the government gone too far in censorship or should the government play more of an active role in what type of video games are appropriate to play?

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    Re: Manhunt 2 video game banned for sadism

    Note that the ban is in Britain, which has banned films for being too violent in the past. A Clockwork Orange, for one (although the ban was lifted decades later)

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    Re: Manhunt 2 video game banned for sadism

    "finally"?

    Postal 2 was banned years ago. Cannibal Holocaust is banned almost anywhere.

    The government hasn't stepped to far. It always was. But now because no one's pushing back it has started banning more mainstream content.

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    I'm glad I don't play video games. Whoever created this game should be examined for mental problems. What's wrong with the old games - do kids get bored that easy?

    I propose a new medium for gamers - it's called get out of the house and play some real games! You're all addicts! Video Game Addiction: Do we need a Video Gamers Anonymous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daman View Post
    A video game has finally been banned for being too violent. From what I read I don't see how this game is different than say the popular game 'Hitman' or other clones of the same nature. I don't think the government should ban this game. They should put the appropriate warning on it, make sure stores don't sell it too kids, but not ban it all together.

    Has the government gone too far in censorship or should the government play more of an active role in what type of video games are appropriate to play?

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    I really hate the government sometimes...most of the time actually.
    Though this is in Britain? Oh, well, I don't really care then .
    Seriously though, like you said, just put an appropriate rating on the game and everything will be fine. I don't think playing some crazy slasher game is going to turn children into psychopathic murderers one day, it's just a game people. Video games are entertainment, like movies, but with much more interactivity. If they can get away with everything they get away with in movies, then the government should just back off and let the video game industry handle itself.
    And Snoop, I love the old games! I'm quite content playing any of the arcade games or Atari games, those were so addicting! I enjoy the stuff we have now just as much because of all the innovation and creativity they have.
    I'll take the video game reality any day as opposed to real reality, I don't like what's going on around me and it's nice to escape somewhere where you can blast the heads off of zombies for a while and forget how screwed up everything is in the real world. Though I do have a problem with people who do NOTHING but play video games, that is unhealthy. I have such a friend who is like this, we have to force him to go places with me and my other friends, usually we bribe him with food and that seems to work .

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    Re: Manhunt 2 video game banned for sadism

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop View Post
    I'm glad I don't play video games. Whoever created this game should be examined for mental problems. What's wrong with the old games - do kids get bored that easy?

    I propose a new medium for gamers - it's called get out of the house and play some real games! You're all addicts! Video Game Addiction: Do we need a Video Gamers Anonymous?
    What about the people who play the game...I suppose they should have their head examined as well. Maybe so, but the reason the game is created is because there is a large demand for it, thus the reason for a sequel. I believe in supply and demand. If people want to buy it then people can sell it. That goes for prostitution and drugs. These are vices that may hurt the individual but it just hurts them. Something like selling paedophile pics hurts the children and should be illegal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daman View Post
    What about the people who play the game...I suppose they should have their head examined as well. Maybe so, but the reason the game is created is because there is a large demand for it, thus the reason for a sequel. I believe in supply and demand. If people want to buy it then people can sell it. That goes for prostitution and drugs. These are vices that may hurt the individual but it just hurts them. Something like selling paedophile pics hurts the children and should be illegal.
    People who play the game may just be curious. If they play it over and over again, they may be obsessive.

    There was no demand for this game unless you believe that video game players are generally violent and sadistic. Manhunt 2 is not a game I would want my kids to play. I could care less if it was banned or not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop View Post
    There was no demand for this game unless you believe that video game players are generally violent and sadistic.
    Look at Grand Theft Auto. It's a game about stealing, killing people and getting into the back seat of cars with hookers. They've created many sequels and sold millions of these games world wide. There is definitely a demand. Here is a 2004 CNN source for my statement

    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop
    Manhunt 2 is not a game I would want my kids to play. I could care less if it was banned or not.
    I agree, that is why there are labels and stores should ensure that kids can't buy them.

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    Re: Manhunt 2 video game banned for sadism

    I'm not sure I see the distinction between Manhunt and Manhunt 2. Seems like more of the same, IMO. How is a mental ward escapee killing people in gruesome ways any different from a death row inmate killing people in gruesome ways? Motivation? Was it that Cash in Manhunt was being forced to do it?

    Either way, Manhunt wasn't that good. The only parts that were any fun were later levels where you actually got a gun. The only reason that was fun was because the melee interaction was clumsier than a gaggle of blind men playing tag in a tilt-a-whirl.

    Banned games are no new thing though, as Turtle pointed out. Mercenaries was banned from North Korea, Mercenaries 2 is already banned from Venezuela. Postal and Postal 2 have been banned....pretty much everywhere imaginable. Duke Nukem was banned in Australia. I believe, GRAW was banned in Korea as well, not sure.

    Point being, banning a game, like saying a musician is the anti-christ, only sparks more interest in it.

    There was only ONE redeeming point of Manhunt: Gut busting "The Director" with a chainsaw.

    Really. If Rockstar wants to know how make GOOD viscious games with sadistic tendencies, they should pick up the Hitman series where violent gets done right. Taking a fire poker to a man or how 47 looks particularly menacing with a garrot wire strangling some poor schlub.

    But hell, don't ban the game. Let the gamers smash it with scathing reviews and internet banter. Teach those companies to make better games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daman View Post
    I agree, that is why there are labels and stores should ensure that kids can't buy them.
    They may not be able to buy them but I'll bet you they find a way to play them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop View Post
    They may not be able to buy them but I'll bet you they find a way to play them.
    Again I agree. Some parents will just buy it for the kids. Or kids will get it from other kids. It's difficult, but I think part of being a good parent is monitoring your children's hobbies. Don't let them lock themselves in their room and play or watch anything they want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daman View Post
    Look at Grand Theft Auto. It's a game about stealing, killing people and getting into the back seat of cars with hookers. They've created many sequels and sold millions of these games world wide. There is definitely a demand. Here is a 2004 CNN source for my statement
    The demand has been artificially created - as Hyde said, for PROFIT. Video games are as addictive as many drugs - see for yourself. The game makers are selling video crack:

    Video Game Overuse May Be an Addiction: Experts

    By E.J. Mundell
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    Friday, June 22, 2007; 12:00 AM

    FRIDAY, June 22 (HealthDay News) -- Millions of U.S. children and adults obsessed with video games may suffer from a real addiction, according to a proposal up for debate by top U.S. doctors.
    Delegates attending the American Medical Association conference in Chicago, which starts Saturday, will discuss the proposed addition of video game addiction to a list of "formal disorders," where it would join other problem behaviors such as pathological gambling.

    Dr. Martin Wasserman, executive director of MedChi, the Maryland State Medical Society, helped spearhead the new proposal, which has resulted in a 10-page report submitted to the AMA by the group's Council on Science and Public Health.
    "The concern came up because one of our psychiatrists here in Maryland was seeing older people who were losing their social contacts," specifically because of their overuse of video games, Wasserman said. "It was ruining their family life. So, it was not unlike gambling addictions or alcohol, where it was having a profound impact on the lives of individuals."
    According to the AMA report, one soon-to-be-released British study polled 7,000 "gamers" and found that 12 percent of them met World Health Organization criteria for addictive behaviors.
    Statistics released in 2005 by the Entertainment Software Association (ESA), an industry group, estimated that 70 percent to 90 percent of American children play video games. The typical gamer is a 30-year-old male who spends about seven or eight hours a week gaming.
    The ESA survey also found that video game overuse was most prevalent among the approximately 9 percent of video game users who play against others online in Internet-based "massive multiplayer online role playing games."
    The new AMA report defines "heavy game use" as two or more hours a day, but Wasserman, a pediatrician, said addictions are best defined by their impact on an individual's life and psyche.
    "Basically, you're using a disproportionate amount of time on the video game, and it's what you are thinking about even when you'renoton the video game," he said. "And even though it's having negative consequences for you in school or your family situation, or it's taking a disproportionate amount of your money, you still continue to do it. You spend less time with your friends or in other social things."
    One theory why certain individuals spend so much time on online games is that they prefer the experience to real-world interaction. According to the report's authors, the "current theory is that these individuals achieve more control of their social relationships and more success in social relationships in the virtual reality realm than in real relationships."
    But that sense of control may come at a price, Wasserman said, especially for children and adults obsessed with games loaded with violent imagery.
    "The violent aspects of this, in particular, have got to be a threat to the normal growth and development that we'd like to see in young people," he said. "People have observed more aggressive behaviors [linked to gaming], and if you do subjective testing, there are studies which have shown aggressive behaviors in young people and less supportive behaviors."
    Wasserman wonders, as well, about the sedentary aspects of hours of video game use. "I can't tell you if this is associated with our current epidemic of child obesity," he said, "but too much time in front of a video tube -- and much of that time spent watching violent interactions -- can't be good for our kids."
    That's a sentiment shared by a majority of the American public, according to a survey of more than 1,000 parents of children aged 2 to 17 that was released Tuesday by the nonprofit Kaiser Family Foundation. According to theAssociated Press, two-thirds of parents responding to the survey said they were "very concerned" about the amount of sex and violence their children are exposed to in various media.
    But the AMA report remains merely a starting point for discussion among doctors gathering in Chicago. It is far from certain that the physicians' group will, in fact, move to label excessive gaming an addiction.
    The report's authors are urging that the AMA pressure the American Psychiatric Association (APA) to include "Internet/video game addiction" in the next edition of theDiagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, the standard diagnostic text used by psychiatrists worldwide.
    But Dr. James Scully, medical director at the APA, said any decision on the matter is a long way off.
    Right now, "we don't agree or disagree" with the idea, he said. "As a diagnostic issue, it is going to be several years before we make a determination of that. It's clearly something that we want to consider."
    In the meantime, he said, it's up to parents to limit their child's exposure to video games, especially the more violent ones. Both the AMA and the APA support current recommendations from the American Academy of Pediatrics that limit children's exposure to all "screen time" -- TV, computers and video games -- to a total of two hours a day.
    Wasserman believes this simple rule can minimize media's potentially harmful effects. Media, in itself, isn't always bad, he said, but "everything needs to be done in moderation."
    "That's what we taught our kids -- if they didn't do it in moderation in our home, we moderated it for them," he said. "It didn't hurt them."
    More information
    There's tips on healthy video game use for kids at the Nemours Foundation.
    SOURCES: Martin Wasserman, M.D., pediatrician and executive director, MedChi, Maryland State Medical Society, Baltimore; James Scully, M.D., medical director, American Psychiatric Association, Arlington, Va.; American Medical Association,Report of the Council on Science and Public Health

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snoop View Post
    The demand has been artificially created - as Hyde said, for PROFIT. Video games are as addictive as many drugs - see for yourself. The game makers are selling video crack:
    So are sugary snacks (coca cola, cinnabons, etc) Many people enjoy it. Some are addicted to it. But they are not good for you. The taste good and make you feel good but they are not good for your body. Companies like Coca-Cola make sure your addicted to their product so you will keep buying it. Sugary snacks are also artifically created demand. But it is demand none the less. If we ban certain video games because they are bad for us we should ban products like sugary snacks and plethora of other stuff as well such as Porn, Gory Films, etc. I personally enjoy coke cola, and porn and violent video games like "Hitman and Hitman 2". I don't think I'm addicted because I do things in moderation. Others can not, but the rest of us should not suffer because they have a problem with it. They should get help. I like gambling. I'd hate to think because people have gambling addictions I can't gamble anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daman View Post
    So are sugary snacks (coca cola, cinnabons, etc) Many people enjoy it. Some are addicted to it. But they are not good for you. The taste good and make you feel good but they are not good for your body. Companies like Coca-Cola make sure your addicted to their product so you will keep buying it. Sugary snacks are also artifically created demand. But it is demand none the less. If we ban certain video games because they are bad for us we should ban products like sugary snacks.
    Sugary snacks are being resctricted by market forces. Parents are tired of forking over thousands of dollars to dentists because the kids teeth are rotten.

    Kelloggs To Announce Healthier Products

    June 14, 2007 7:49 p.m. EST


    Richard Bowden - AHN News Writer
    Grand Rapids, MI (AHN) - Breakfast food manufacturer the Kelloggs Company has agreed to improve the nutritional quality of its products or stop targeting them to children under the age of 12 according to a company announcement Thursday.
    The new criteria comes as parent and child advocacy groups, concerned over child obesity, threaten the company with a lawsuit.
    The new standard calls for a single serving of a product to contain no more than 200 calories; have no trans fat and no more than 2 grams (0.07 ounces) of saturated fat; have no more than 230 milligrams (.008 ounces) of sodium; and have no more than 12 grams (.42 ounces) of sugar reports AP.
    David Mackay, Kellogg's president and chief executive said in a statement, "wherever possible, implementation of Kellogg's commitments will begin immediately. All implementation of all commitments will be completed by the end of 2008."
    He said the company was introducing the new initiative because of concerns over the targeting of children in advertising.
    "...the initiatives we've shared with you today are a meaningful step in the right direction and build upon our hundred-year heritage," he said.
    The new nutrient standard will be put into effect into all products across the world.


    Video games will be restricted in the same way - there will always be games out there and there will always be sugar out there. Crack is still hard to find.
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    Happens in Europe and the Commonwealth all the time. For instance, Australia just banned alcohol and pornography for the aborigines. Thank God for the Bill of Rights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KevinBrowning View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by daman View Post
    Look at Grand Theft Auto. It's a game about stealing, killing people and getting into the back seat of cars with hookers. They've created many sequels and sold millions of these games world wide. There is definitely a demand. Here is a 2004 CNN source for my statement

    I agree, that is why there are labels and stores should ensure that kids can't buy them.
    The Grand Theft Auto series is just a disgrace to video gaming. How it sells so well is beyond me. A game all about violence, sex, and money is not something I would want to play. I don't understand why people enjoy it so much, my brother included (He's 13 by the way, 13. My mom bought that smut for him). I asked him what was so great about it, and he just said, "Because it's cool you know, killin' stuff and blowing up things". I was beside myself.
    And as I just proved and as you and Snoop said, even with the Rating System kids will still find a way to play it/buy it.
    All that aside though, I still don't think a ban on a video game is necessary. I'm upset with GTA because it's just a BAD game, horribly made and with no real point, of course that is only my opinion. I don't think that because my brother plays that trash that he's going to go out and shoot someone in the head and rob a bank, that's just ridiculous.
    Getting rid of the "substance" (in this case the video game) won't fix anything, like it's been said there's a demand for it; people are willing to spend their money on it. Just because it may be bad for them doesn't mean it should be taken away. I don't feel bad for people who are "addicted" to video games, sure they're fun, but to get "addicted" to anything that isn't intended to create a physical addiction (like cigarettes) is just stupid. Get off the couch and go outside, it's not that hard. You don't need treatment or therapy, and you're only "addicted" because you let yourself be.

 

 

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