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    Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/g...hristians.html


    I basically tried to create reasons for me not to talk about this thread, but I just can't help myself. Because I just can't find a reason why this entire thread should exist. Why? Because basically, and you may not agree with this, my Christian friends, it's like watching the Special Olympics.

    No, they all debated fine. It wasn't there style, it was what they were debating. Okay, the only way I can put this into words, is to use a comparison:

    Jim, a public speaker, walks into a room with Christians on one side of the room, and atheists on the other side. And Jim says: "Okay, since you're in your groups, I want you to discuss if it is sinful/wrong/evil to murder, rape, and torture animals.

    Atheists:
    Uh, no, it's wrong. I get an icky feeling when I think about beating the hell out of something that can feel those beatings. So, no, I'm not cool with it. Anyone else? Nope? Cool. Done in less than 3 seconds.

    Juxtaposed to Christians:
    Well, I think it's wrong. Right? But is it a sin?
    No
    Yes
    No
    Yes
    No
    No
    Yes
    No
    Yes
    Yes
    No
    No
    But Job 32 verse 3 says...
    [4 hours later]
    Well, I'm not convinced that it's sinful. We're all convinced that it's wrong, but a sin? I don't know.





    Can we all agree, for the sake of reason, that it is far better to look into yourself and say: "Boy, I'd feel like crap for doing something as wrong as murdering/raping/torturing an animal... So I won't."


    Come on guys, at least pretend like you can still keep on saying atheists have no reason to believe in morals and have an inherently flawed moral system. You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot with this debate.
    Last edited by GoldPhoenix; December 14th, 2007 at 03:05 PM.
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    Re: Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    dude, i have agreed that it is wrong, i have just never agreed that it is a sin.
    Nothing will stand against the returning of He who hath died for us and His Father who breathed the breath of life into the dust that created man.
    Humbleness, Love, and loyalty to the word and his message.

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    Re: Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    Bf55,
    Could you please clarify for me what the difference is between a "sin", and a "wrong"?
    Because I was under the impression that they were the same thing.

    PLEASE tell me what you think the difference is????
    Because I'm very interested in finding out.

    According to definitions that I found, they are the same.

    sin: Definition, Synonyms and Much More from Answers.com
    wrong: Definition, Synonyms and Much More from Answers.com

    Synonyms for "sin", as a noun, under "Thesaurus" heading include: crime, deviltry, diablerie, evil, evildoing, immorality, iniquity, misdeed, offense, peccancy, wickedness, WRONG, wrongdoing,
    SEE: right/wrong

    Synonyms for "wrong", as a noun, under "Thesaurus" heading, include: crime, deviltry, diablerie, evil, evildoing, immorality, iniquity, misdeed, offense, peccancy, SIN, wickedness, wrongdoing.
    SEE: right/wrong

    It looks as if the synonyms for both words are exactly the same.

    So, what's the difference??
    Last edited by Scarlett44; December 15th, 2007 at 12:18 PM.
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    Re: Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    One has a religious connotation, and applies only to religious laws. The other is what people who are rational about their morality use.
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    Re: Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    GP,
    I have located a Bible passage that will hopefully settle this debate, which I agree with you, should not have really been a debate.
    I have just posted it in the thread.
    I guess we will see.
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    Re: Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlett44 View Post
    GP,
    I have located a Bible passage that will hopefully settle this debate, which I agree with you, should not have really been a debate.
    I have just posted it in the thread.
    I guess we will see.
    I think you fail to understand the reason for this thread.


    You should not require a Biblical verse to tell you not to abuse animals.



    We atheists don't require a Bible verse not to go out and sodomize Gale the chipmunk. So why do Christians?
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    Re: Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    Quote Originally Posted by GoldPhoenix View Post
    I think you fail to understand the reason for this thread.
    You should not require a Biblical verse to tell you not to abuse animals.
    We atheists don't require a Bible verse not to go out and sodomize Gale the chipmunk. So why do Christians?
    I do realize the purpose of the thread, GP

    I also realize that no one should require a Bible verse to prove that animal abuse is wrong.
    I don't require a Bible Verse to tell me that burning a dog alive is wrong!!
    But I guess there are some Christians here who do require that......

    And that's why I started the thread.
    "As long as I have a voice, I will speak for those who have none".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlett44 View Post
    I do realize the purpose of the thread, GP

    I also realize that no one should require a Bible verse to prove that animal abuse is wrong.
    I don't require a Bible Verse to tell me that burning a dog alive is wrong!!
    But I guess there are some Christians here who do require that......

    And that's why I started the thread.
    it has been aknowledged that it is wrong, just not a sin, thats what the debate is about, and further than that, what gives people the right to say this is what god commands without having the authority.
    Nothing will stand against the returning of He who hath died for us and His Father who breathed the breath of life into the dust that created man.
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    Re: Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Bf55 View Post
    it has been aknowledged that it is wrong, just not a sin, thats what the debate is about, and further than that, what gives people the right to say this is what god commands without having the authority.
    But Bf55,
    You have still not answered my question, which is :
    WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "WRONG", AND A "SIN", IN YOUR OPINION??

    And by the way, it is a sin, in states and countries that have laws against it, because the Bible says in Romans 13:1-5, that it is a sin to break the law.
    http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/g...stians-13.html
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    Cool Re: Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarlett44 View Post
    But Bf55,
    You have still not answered my question, which is :
    WHAT IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A "WRONG", AND A "SIN", IN YOUR OPINION??

    And by the way, it is a sin, in states and countries that have laws against it, because the Bible says in Romans 13:1-5, that it is a sin to break the law.
    http://www.onlinedebate.net/forums/g...stians-13.html
    you never respond to this statement, if every person does everything to help the kingdom of god, who would find time to abuse animals or think about animal cruelty, your focused on the wrong thing what Christians really need to think about is what helps the kingdom, so its not a sin if it never comes up, but things that are wrong are things we know we shouldn't do but aren't necessarily addressed in the bible, like smoking its a personal decision i think its awfully presumptuous to call something a sin scarlette.
    Nothing will stand against the returning of He who hath died for us and His Father who breathed the breath of life into the dust that created man.
    Humbleness, Love, and loyalty to the word and his message.

    BF55.....

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    Re: Discussion: Question for all of my fellow christians

    GAH:


    No turning this thread into the other thread. Go debate that there.
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