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    What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Is it possible anymore to describe a political party in a non-biased manner? What is a democrat and a republican? What do they believe in?

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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Ask them. That is, ask the Democrats and Republicans what their specific policies are. They'll always start off with the generic, unhelpful fluff--"We treasure liberty", "Fairness is the most important thing", "We don't eat babies", etc. Force them to tell you what specific policies they endorse rather than supplying analytical conclusions for you.
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    With that said, don't get too mired in positions on individual issues and be afraid to look at the underlying ideology guiding each party. It is therein that one can note contradictions of principle and other inconsistencies that (I find) are easier to pass off in an issue-by-issue political frame of reference.
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Jamie - The problem is that placing the complex psychology of human minds into a particular 'box' with a label on it is that bits of those 'minds' tend to hang over the edges and best fit other boxes.

    You cannot be specific and neat when defining the foot soldiers or even the captains of any particular political group; it would be a bit like shoe horning a size 15 foot into a size 8 boot.

    Here in the UK even our MPs (Members of Parliament) of a specific party will bicker among themselves and will abstain or even join the opposition in the voting lobby if they feel that their own party's stance on a particular Bill is flawed. All the major parties have their Whips whose job it is to keep the dissenters 'in line' by sweet talk and thinly veiled threats.

    (Even the word 'Whip' has overtones of being selected in the past by Conservative and traditionalist minds, since it is based on the the 'whipper-in' of the Fox Hunts, whose job it was to make sure the hounds performed as expected and to count them back into their kennels after a hunt.)

    I suppose if I was to hazard a generalisation between the two political camps, the Republican/Conservative group look to the importance 'status quo' traditionalist values - that those families and groups who hold traditional class and fiscal rank should be the deciding and controlling factor in social, political and business life - that they have the equivalent of some 'divine right of kings' to hold the reins of power and decision making, as do their lineage (hence a wish for better standards of education, health plans, and fiscal opportunity).

    The Liberal camp tends to look more towards a cosmopolitan and egalitarian approach that maximises chance and opportunity to the masses (including those groups and individuals that are 'traditionally' ostracised just for being what they are), and does not hold so hard to tradition as being a 'sacred cow'.

    Having said that, there is in reality a very broad fuzzy area that connects the two!

    Most folks, much like myself hold to qualities and 'specifics' that take them across the political spectrum. Speaking personally, I would have great problems staying 'loyal' to any particular party line. So long as we have what we loosely call democracy I'm happy enough though.
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Republicans believe in the State as a tool to achieve the party's various ends, whereas Democrats believe in the State as a tool to achieve their party's various ends.
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    I heard a republican recently describe himself as a John F. Kennedy liberal. Its an interesting thought imo. I think republicans are Kennedy era liberals, and liberals of today are farther left than that.
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Democrat = has a heart, Republican = too lazy to care. =P Ok ok, I'm JUST PLAYING, seriously. xD Some of my best friends are republicans, I'm totally joking here...xD So, all joking aside...I'm mostly against any idea of a party system. You can't really define a person strictly as one or the other. I personally agree with most of what are commonly identified as democratic ideals, and disagree with republican ones. BUT, this doesn't mean I'm a democrat. Actually, I'm more closely represented by the views of the Green party and the Socialist party. But regardless, party affiliations are pointless.

    Take for example the 2008 presidential election. Giuliani is pretty liberal for a Republican. And there are Democrats who are fairly conservative. Look at their views, not their party. My grandma is so...grrrr she irritates me, because she refuses to look at what they actually stand for, but rather just votes based on who's the Republican. No. You need to focus on the individual, not their label.
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Aurin, Nobody could accurately call you a democrat, although they could call you a Liberal. The Democratic Party simply is mostly comprised of liberals, associated with liberal principles, and propagates Liberal ideals (including a few Sociaist ones). The same can be said with regard the Republican Party and Conservative principles. However, party affiliations are not pointless, it's only natural that you'd support the party that best represents your views, and also; there are political benefits to joining up with certain parties.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aurin
    I personally agree with most of what are commonly identified as democratic ideals, and disagree with republican ones. BUT, this doesn't mean I'm a democrat.
    Of course it doesn't. Strictly speaking, the only way you could be classified as a democrat is if you actually held membership to the Party. Much the same way a Conservative couldn't automatially be classified as a Republican.
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Yes, I understand this. That is the point I was making, just my being liberal doesn't make me a democrat. But, also I was saying that people should not judge others based on their political affiliation. For example, I personally am pro-life, but politically I'm pro-choice. If I were to ever be pregnant (BIIIIG if...xD Rape maybe? =P I dunno.) But if I were to become pregnant, I would find it morally wrong to get an abortion. This is conservative thinking on my part, but I support the idea of choice. So it's like...this twisted mush of liberal-conservativeness. xD What I'm saying is that anyone can identify as a Democrat or Republican, but their party is not important. I'm in strong support of eliminating the party system. People need to focus on their individual stances, not whether they're red or blue. =P
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Quote Originally Posted by starcreator View Post
    With that said, don't get too mired in positions on individual issues and be afraid to look at the underlying ideology guiding each party. It is therein that one can note contradictions of principle and other inconsistencies that (I find) are easier to pass off in an issue-by-issue political frame of reference.
    LOL...

    Now one would think that such a strongly held position would be based upon soemthing more specific.

    What specific inconsistancies and contradictions of principle would you be speaking of?


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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Jamie... It's the ideological distinction which party serves. Generally speaking Conservatives (Those seeking to conserve the principles on thich the Nation is founded) are found in the Republican Party. The Democrat Party serves the leftist ideology, that which is anti-thetical to the founding principles of the US... Collectivists, those that reject freedom for varying degrees of what they call fairness...

    As you've seen, as a general rule, for some reason, they can't stand to be labeled. Now I believe it's because they don't like what the a word becomes once it becomes to identify them...

    This post uses the SPECIFIC comments of three liberals to show the specific trait of those which could fit directly into the US Democrat Party. I trust it serves to enlighten through illustrating the thinking of elements common to the Democrat Party...

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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    I think independent is the best over every other political; party ever!!!
    Why chose if you can just b independnt.???
    The good part is about independence is dat you cant make no law against it...You can explain how its wrong but youll never be better than them in da political world if yer a dem,rep, [or liberel]

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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie678 View Post
    Is it possible anymore to describe a political party in a non-biased manner? What is a democrat and a republican? What do they believe in?
    They are both wastes of our time as citizens. They have both (as parties) created and destroyed more lives, and worthless legislation than any others in the United States history.

    Think back to Whigs and federalists. etc.


    We need a third party or two new parties.

    We need to dump all current politicians in the ocean, and restart this failure we call our country.
    I am a very proud American, however we are having problems, and anyone that doesnt see that isnt looking.

    BTW screw em both as parties they have failed us the people!

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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Quote Originally Posted by wannaextreme View Post
    We need a third party or two new parties.
    A third party? Hmm... So you feel that power should be given to someone that can muster as little as 33.34 % of the vote?

    How about a 4th Party? Then Power can go to those who manage just over a 1/4 of the vote...

    A 5th maybe?

    Get the point?

    Jamie think of the GOP as the adults... It's not literally true, but its close.

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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Quote Originally Posted by Publius Infini View Post
    The Democrat Party serves the leftist ideology, that which is anti-thetical to the founding principles of the US... Collectivists, those that reject freedom for varying degrees of what they call fairness...
    Talk about a one-sided view.

    What about the freedom to decide whether to have an abortion?
    The freedom for gays to marry?
    The freedom to not have your phone calls monitored without a warrant?
    The right of habeus corpus?

    The accurate dichotomy would be that democrats tend to be for less government involvement in personal decisions and for more government involvement in economic matters and Republicans would be vice-versa.

    Yes, I know exceptions can be found but that's generally how it goes.

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    But in reality, I would say the Democrats are the left-leaning corporate interest party and the Republicans are the right-leaning corporate interest party. And either of them is likely to abandon any liberal/conservative interests over corporate interests.

    I would say the Feds intereferring with medicinal marijuana is a very good example. Both Clinton (who as a liberal, should be for compassionate use of medicine, not to mention decriminization of marijuana) and Bush (who as a conservative, should respect states' rights) took a hard-line approach against it and there's little doubt it's primarily to benefit the pharaceutical industry.
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Quote Originally Posted by dbogjohnson View Post
    I think independent is the best over every other political; party ever!!!
    Why chose if you can just b independnt.???
    The good part is about independence is dat you cant make no law against it...You can explain how its wrong but youll never be better than them in da political world if yer a dem,rep, [or liberel]

    But the independents aren't all that independent. It's been my experience that they're amost without fail leftists that want to avoid being labeled...

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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Quote Originally Posted by Publius Infini View Post
    But the independents aren't all that independent. It's been my experience that they're amost without fail leftists that want to avoid being labeled...
    I actually agree with the top portion, my father was a die hard republican and turned independent and than back to being a die hard republican.

    So the leftist jab is incorrect though I agree that the independents are unable to choose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Publius Infini View Post
    A third party? Hmm... So you feel that power should be given to someone that can muster as little as 33.34 % of the vote?

    How about a 4th Party? Then Power can go to those who manage just over a 1/4 of the vote...

    A 5th maybe?

    Get the point?

    Jamie think of the GOP as the adults... It's not literally true, but its close.
    Your assertions here are incorrect as you are answering only a part and not the in context section.
    If you responded in context I might be better able to respond to this useless assertion you have written.

    I never said 4 parties, and in fact was far more into ridding ourselves of the current parties and replacing them and the leadership.

    READ what is written than COMPLAIN to the mods.
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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Actually, Wanna, his question is valid. You're picking his "what about a 4th party?" question and responding to only it, effectively doing exactly what you're accusing him of.

    You did, in fact, say we needed a 3rd party. His argument is that it would be a bad idea because then it would reduce the requirement to win a vote to slightly over 1/3 of the overall voting population. It reduces the likelyhood of the majority of the people to be represented by people THEY voted into office, which is a valid concern with a third party. A fourth party, as he pointed out, reduces that requirement to just over 1/4 of the voting population, which would just be the next step when people got tired of having three. Again, perfectly valid.

    As for his responding to the rest of your post, perhaps he agrees with it? I don't know. Even if he does, that doesn't make PI's contribution invalid.

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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Quote Originally Posted by mican333 View Post
    Talk about a one-sided view.

    What about the freedom to decide whether to have an abortion?
    Where's the problem? If the Embryo is a threat to your life, then kill it.

    Naturally 'Convenience' does not rise to the level of 'threat;' meaning that one not wanting to tell their parents that she got pregnant, or their REALLY wanting to fit into a prom dress are not actual treats to ones life... so if the embryo lives and the mother's life is reasonably seen to be imminently threatened, then one is justified to kill their pre-born child. But that is so very rareÖ Similarly in the post birth world, where a child is physically trying to kill the parent, the parent is perfectly justified in killing that child. The thing to recognize here is that just because the threat is in the embryonic stage of development, the principles underlying ones right to their life do not change.

    Quote Originally Posted by mican333 View Post
    The freedom for gays to marry?
    Gay people can get married... who said they can't? I'm as gay as a flute and I've been happily married for 28 years. My wife... GAY! Hells-bells kids, everyone at my wedding was gay and if you liked the gay wedding... YOU WOULD HAVE LOVED THE RECEPTION! OVER THE TOP: GAY!

    Perhaps the most glaring issue I've seen lately on this subject however, is where homosexuals want to marry. It's a bad idea.

    Homosexuality is a result of a sad miswiring of the human brain. They have deviant sexual instincts and while I see no reason to persecute them because of their illness, I surely see no reason to delude ourselves into believing that two homosexuals will ever be a male and a female who procreate and raise their offspring, subjecting them to the traits of both genders.

    The argument usually follows that Homosexuals are capable of love too and indeed to be sure they are. But this does not mean that we lend credence to the same ideological forces which brought us no fault divorce and further undermine the nuclear family.

    I've no problem with homosexualís cohabitating; I have no problem with homosexuals forming a corporation; which is a legal entity where more than one person join together to advance common interests and enjoy certain legal benefits as a result of that joining.

    Where I do have a problem is where, as I said earlier, we delude ourselves into believing that deviant instincts are the norm.

    This thread hardly provides a suitable forum to hash this out, but suffice it to say I don't see the problem... We should be discussing increasing the standards associated with marriage as a legal entity, not ripping all notions of any standard from it.


    Quote Originally Posted by mican333 View Post
    The freedom to not have your phone calls monitored without a warrant? The right of habeus corpus?
    Well you're free to not have your phone calls monitored without a warrant Wican, just build your own phone network on your own land and presto... you can call freely and with abandon.

    Where you use the network used by those that are intent on killing innocent people on mass, well you're going to be subject to having your conversation eaves dropped upon. And where your habeas writ is not founded in your having been recognized as an illegal combatant, I don't see you being subject to less than a full measure of means to advance your writ.

    So what about it?


    Quote Originally Posted by mican333 View Post
    The accurate dichotomy would be that democrats tend to be for less government involvement in personal decisions and for more government involvement in economic matters and Republicans would be vice-versa.
    Well sure... Democrats are prone to demand that government shouldn't be involved in personal decisions, such as ones decision to kill a cop... or personal decision to blow up a train or bus full of people...

    I notice that as a rule Democrats are BIG advocates of government getting in the way of the personal choice to arm ones self with a firearm so as to defend against those who make the personal choice to tug on that pipe until they be broke... and then are 'FORCED' to break into someoneís house or mugging them for their wallet or 'jackin' their car or what have you...

    Democrats are BIG Advocates of subsidizing those who make POOR PERSONAL DECISIONS with the money that is earned by those who made GOOD PERSONAL CHOICES...

    Don't get me started Mican.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mican333 View Post
    But in reality, I would say the Democrats are the left-leaning corporate interest party and the Republicans are the right-leaning corporate interest party. And either of them is likely to abandon any liberal/conservative interests over corporate interests.
    An Anarchist? Really? Are we serious? Tell me Mican, what interests serve the corporation that do not serve the interest of the individual?

    Quote Originally Posted by mican333 View Post
    I would say the Feds intereferring with medicinal marijuana is a very good example. Both Clinton (who as a liberal, should be for compassionate use of medicine, not to mention decriminization of marijuana) and Bush (who as a conservative, should respect states' rights) took a hard-line approach against it and there's little doubt it's primarily to benefit the pharaceutical industry.

    With due respect.... A pothead? An anarchist pothead... I've always said that's why there is nothing to fear from the anarchists... As potheads, they're going to get serious TOMORROW, FOR SURE dude...!

    ROFL... I was reading through some Anti-WTO website not too terribly long ago (I had ended up there on one of those top of the mind Google searches to know where... you've been there I'm sure...) where the kids were ALL KIND of PO'd and were naturally planning a MAJOR protest somewhere... the point is that they had several excellent links to sites that gave excellent info on the best ways to stash, your stash.

    ROFL... the funny part is that they actually think they're players. Cracks me up.

    Mican, look buddy, you've a right to smoke all the dope you want, if you think that such will lead you to happiness. But here's the thing, it's against the law, here. So if you exercise your right here and you do so in such a way that leaves evidence behind, odd are, you're going to jail.

    Of course there's nothing keeping you here. So IF pot makes you happy and the debilitating effects of pot havenít already stripped you of the means to leave, then you are free to go where you can be happy.

    Now I say that in the spirit of explanation and do NOT intend it as a suggestion that you should leave. I think you're a bright person that should recognize that pot is what LOSERS smoke to get happy.

    A far as medicinal pot goes... If you're terminally ill and pot will ease your pain, I say role it up! Few Judges are going to send a terminally ill patient to jail. It is after all your right...

    Of course "Medicinal Pot" is more often than not code for Plain old pot smokers trying to be smart... and we all know what an uphill climb that can be...

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    Re: What is a democrat? A Republican?

    Quote Originally Posted by ladyphoenix View Post
    Actually, Wanna, his question is valid. You're picking his "what about a 4th party?" question and responding to only it, effectively doing exactly what you're accusing him of.

    You did, in fact, say we needed a 3rd party. His argument is that it would be a bad idea because then it would reduce the requirement to win a vote to slightly over 1/3 of the overall voting population. It reduces the likelyhood of the majority of the people to be represented by people THEY voted into office, which is a valid concern with a third party. A fourth party, as he pointed out, reduces that requirement to just over 1/4 of the voting population, which would just be the next step when people got tired of having three. Again, perfectly valid.

    As for his responding to the rest of your post, perhaps he agrees with it? I don't know. Even if he does, that doesn't make PI's contribution invalid.

    ARE YOU KIDDING, IN CONTEXT WHAT I WROTE WAS VERY CLEAR.
    I in fact pushed for getting rid of the former and creating two new ones.

    The third party was an aside comment.

    Wow.


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    Why worry about it?


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    A far as medicinal pot goes... If you're terminally ill and pot will ease your pain, I say role it up! Few Judges are going to send a terminally ill patient to jail. It is after all your right...
    Good for you, though some of us are not terminally ill and have intense pain and would rather not be on HEROINE based painkillers like codeine and Oxycontins.

    Quote Originally Posted by Publius Infini View Post
    Of course "Medicinal Pot" is more often than not code for Plain old pot smokers trying to be smart... and we all know what an uphill climb that can be...
    Only uphill because the religious right is too stooopid to understand that it is far less dangerous than alcohol, and far better than some other painkillers. PERSONAL experience with the last part.
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