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    lol racism

    In discussing this thread, please be aware of ODN's rules against racial slurs.

    That being said, I want to discuss racism. Why is it acceptable for members of a group to make fun of said group? Why can't other people? Furthermore, why are whites who poke fun at other minorities automatically labeled racists/sexist/ etc? Here in 2008, do we all (all white people) really deserve that?

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    Re: lol racism

    My $0.42 worth:

    Yes, some non-whites sincerely believe that non-whites are justified in making fun of whites, but that the reverse is not justified. Their reasoning for this is that the ancestors of today's whites oppressed their ancestors. While in many cases this is true*, it was certainly not universal. Nor does it follow that the sins of the father pass down to the son, as it were.

    * Depending, of course, on how one defines "oppression".

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    Re: lol racism

    Who doesn't find it acceptable?

    Who's out there promoting political correct speech? Who promotes 'tolerance' and 'multiculturalism' and 'understanding' that makes giving offense a crime?

    I think it's ridiculous, and I wish more people supported free speech.
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    Re: lol racism

    My tuppence worth is that what defines racism is largely irrational in make-up and perception. As a consequence of their nature and nurture many folks are either over sensitive or under sensitive about what constitutes reasonable social comment.

    It is most unlikely without something approaching 'divine intervention' that humanity could ever reach an equitable consensus.
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    Re: lol racism

    I like the perspective of Hispanic-American humorist Carlos Mencia whose own philosophy is:

    "It's OK to make fun of other races and cultures so long as you don't think that one group is superior to another -- that's real racism."

    I think we can all learn a lot from that Slur removed.
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    Re: lol racism

    The English raped and killed my people for a LONG time...

    The Italians also killed, raped, and enslaved my people.

    I am German and Irish...

    I think every Englishmen and Italian should pay me reparations!

    Wait... that means I owe all of Europe, Russia, and Africa money too...

    And I suppose I owe the world for being Irish.

    I hope it all balances out...
    Witty puns...

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    Re: lol racism

    I like hearing dumb Polack jokes, cheap Jew jokes, greasy Italian jokes, etc. - as long as they don't mention skin color. How absurd. People need to lighten up.
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    Re: lol racism

    Quote Originally Posted by Zhavric View Post
    [B][COLOR="Red"]That being said, I want to discuss racism. Why is it acceptable for members of a group to make fun of said group? Why can't other people? Furthermore, why are whites who poke fun at other minorities automatically labeled racists/sexist/ etc? Here in 2008, do we all (all white people) really deserve that?
    I have been born during the apartheids era in SA. During that time black people were discriminated against, I don't deny it.

    In 1994 during the democratic elections the ANC government took over from the previous white government, and is still ruling today.

    I witnessed a lot of racism in my lifetime. Yet I was too young to really understand racism, and what it is doing to other people.

    Today I know how it feels to be discriminated against. Today black SA openly makes fun of white people. They like to call us BOERS, which is a term they think degrades the white south african, yet I carry it with pride.

    The problem with many cultures is that they are not proud of who and what they are and where they come from.

    I have been called a white b*tch before and a few others things too, but really it did not hurt me one little bit. In fact I found it quite amusing.

    What I find to be very annoying is that they think all white people are racists, just because they are white. And I am getting sick and tired of people using apartheid as a lame excuse for everything that goes wrong in their lives. If the cat gets 10 kittens the white man is to be blamed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspoestertjie View Post
    I have been called a white b*tch before and a few others things too, but really it did not hurt me one little bit. In fact I found it quite amusing.
    Cinders: "What's in a name? That which we call a rose (or a b*tch), by any other name would smell as sweet."


    As for me, I don't offend if someone should call me a honky SOB either. I just feel that they have an attitude problem that could do with a bit of TLC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhavric View Post
    [B][COLOR="Red"]Furthermore, why are whites who poke fun at other minorities automatically labeled racists/sexist/ etc? Here in 2008, do we all (all white people) really deserve that?
    I honestly don't know. Some woman gets all uppity about her right to choose, and I respond, "Right to choose? Like what dress you wear when you fix me dinner?" and I get called sexist. Some black guy gets uppity because I push him back out of line when he cuts, and suddenly I'm racist for saying, "You should be used to a white man telling you what to do." I don't mess with mexicans. I respect the hispanic peoples too much....I remember...Zapata.

    I kid people of other races. Hell, I've got three relatives that live only a few hours away that are black. I just don't see race as a big deal. I mean, I can't count the number of times Johnny's said, "I'll run ya over there" and I answered, "Hell yeah you will, boy!" and he laugh over it. Or when I ask for Hope to hand me something and she snap off, "Oh yeah, massa, I gets that fo ya reeeaaaal quick like." Race has never been a big deal for me until someone starts pushing it at me like I should give two squirts about what my alleged ancestors did (nevermind that my ancestors lived across the ocean until the early 1900s).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspoestertjie View Post
    What I find to be very annoying is that they think all white people are racists, just because they are white. And I am getting sick and tired of people using apartheid as a lame excuse for everything that goes wrong in their lives. If the cat gets 10 kittens the white man is to be blamed.
    It won't be getting better anytime soon. A socialist-type government that hands out entitlements only re-enforces the "I am a victim" attitude. At least that is how it is here in the states almost 50 years after the repeal of Jim Crow laws here.

    I have a number of white South Africans who have moved here, Without exception they are all in the process of trying to get bring the rest of their families here (legally).

    One of them literally packed up and left SA the day after being held up on a road by 4 blacks with R-4s. She worried about making her stay here legal after she arrived. Another friend while visiting here was absolutely amazed that one can walk into a Walmart and buy firearms here. He had to telephone his father in SA from the Walmart to let him know what he was seeing.

    Every single white SA I have ever met has impressed as smart, hardworking, polite and just plain tough.


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    Quote Originally Posted by FruitandNut View Post
    As for me, I don't offend if someone should call me a honky SOB either. I just feel that they have an attitude problem that could do with a bit of TLC.
    FRUIT -- what are the percentages of population breakdown by race in the UK?

    I live in a state that is about 60% white, 20% black and 20% Hispanic. However we tend to self-segregate. My town is 98% white (actually not just white but mostly blonds with blue eyes). Yet 10 K North and South are two larger cities where whites are in the minority.

    I think it was Martin Luther King who said that a white man in the South does not care if his neighbor is black, so long as the black neighbor does not do better (financially) than the white neighbor. In Chicago, the whites don't care if blacks do better financially, so long as they don't have them as neighbors.
    Last edited by Spartacus; February 9th, 2008 at 07:51 PM. Reason: Automerged Doublepost

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spartacus View Post
    It won't be getting better anytime soon. A socialist-type government that hands out entitlements only re-enforces the "I am a victim" attitude. At least that is how it is here in the states almost 50 years after the repeal of Jim Crow laws here.
    Unfortunately I have to agree. You are right. In fact I doubt if it will ever get better.

    When it comes to these issues, I tend to be a very pessimistic person, and in fact I am always the optimistic one. I always try very hard to see the good in something or in someone, I just seem to fail in my attempts here.

    I have a number of white South Africans who have moved here, Without exception they are all in the process of trying to get bring the rest of their families here (legally).
    And there will be many to follow soon, I can guarantee you that. Hundreds of white South Africans are lining up as I speak to leave this country. We simply can not cope with these conditions anymore.

    Those that say they can, good for them. I lost some loved ones. Murdered by black people. Once something like that happens, you just feel like packing your bags and go.

    One of them literally packed up and left SA the day after being held up on a road by 4 blacks with R-4s. She worried about making her stay here legal after she arrived. Another friend while visiting here was absolutely amazed that one can walk into a Walmart and buy firearms here. He had to telephone his father in SA from the Walmart to let him know what he was seeing.
    That is quite normal for white SA to look down into the barrels of AK47's. Just a week ago another friend of mine was killed, shot 3 times. He tried to help a woman who was attacked by 6 black men.

    The problem is the laws are not strict enough. In fact it is written to favour the criminal.

    People killing my brother are already out on bail. We just fight a loosing battle.


    Every single white SA I have ever met has impressed as smart, hardworking, polite and just plain tough.
    I must admit, we are hardworking and tough. Some of us can lack the politeness though. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hyde View Post
    I honestly don't know. Some woman gets all uppity about her right to choose, and I respond, "Right to choose? Like what dress you wear when you fix me dinner?" and I get called sexist.
    Because they sincerely took offense, I'll assume it was said to a stranger. In which case, you have less tact than I do.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hyde
    Some black guy gets uppity because I push him back out of line when he cuts, and suddenly I'm racist for saying, "You should be used to a white man telling you what to do." I don't mess with mexicans. I respect the hispanic peoples too much....I remember...Zapata.
    You do realize that telling a black person that, who you've never met before, is rude and unnecessary, right?


    Just call him a do#che bag. It makes everyone feel better.
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    I think 'white guilt' is all but spent. Affirmative action will, I hope, die a quick and painful death.


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    You do realize that telling a black person that, who you've never met before, is rude and unnecessary, right?
    It can also qualify as 'hate speech'. Can't offend the Protected races, don't ya know...
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    Goldy, you realise I was joking, right?

    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    It can also qualify as 'hate speech'. Can't offend the Protected races, don't ya know...
    Such laws were the beginning of the end of free speech.
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    Such laws were the beginning of the end of free speech.
    To the wild applause of the Left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspoestertjie View Post
    People killing my brother are already out on bail. We just fight a loosing battle.
    They offer bail to murder suspects there?

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    They offer bail to murder suspects there?
    Allegations of murder aren't sufficient to deny a defendant bail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    Allegations of murder aren't sufficient to deny a defendant bail.
    So that happens here too? I thought being charged with murder was considered reason to hold someone without bail until trial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliveStaples View Post
    It can also qualify as 'hate speech'. Can't offend the Protected races, don't ya know...
    Hate speech is not against the law. You might have noticed, the KKK and the Neo-Nazi's aren't in jail until after they go kill themselves some Jews and 'negros'.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Hyde View Post
    Goldy, you realise I was joking, right?
    ...

    So, of some stranger walked up to you and Sylvia and said "Wow, Sylvia, you're such a f***ing cradle robber, god you must be a wh*re"

    And then finishes with "Ah, I'm just joking..."


    Doesn't really cut it, now does it?


    I joke with my black roomie about race all the time. But I know him, and he knows I'm not some racist white trash do*che bag.
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