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    Good ol' television

    It was around 11:00PM and my television suddenly became electrifying the very instant I tuned into the democratic convention. I find it very important to be open minded and patient when critiquing the opposition because surely there must be a reason our television's are promoting such a strong push to the left. Throughout the program many speakers chimed in with their rhetoric but what I gathered from this debacle was apparently I cannot afford 4 more years of the same. It's interesting from a critical thinking standpoint to notice immediately the premise does not support the conclusion. As rational thinkers we can all agree on one thing, McCain surely is not George W. Mind you they do share similar stances on a number of issues, but as critical thinkers can we really conclude from this that if McCain were to be our next president it certainly could not be 4 more years of Bush. I find it comical when the left attacks the the Bush-McCain policy. Wait... The Bush-McCain policy? That's interesting because see well, it doesn't exist.

    As I continued to write down key points many of the speakers made, I came up with a funny little list of things that seemed awfully important to these fine men and women that blessed me with there televised appearance. A campaign based on "change" is a very bold move to make considering the 232 year old history of the United States. Men have come and gone and trust me, the ONLY change you will receive from Barack Obama is something he has spent time repeating for us a few times in case we didn't hear him the first time, "He's got big ears, a funny name, oh yea did I mention hes black?" Please keep in mind two things here as I tread onto questionable waters, one I am not racist and two being the only real change Obama will bring to the table is his skin color. If you can prove me wrong on this I will gladly grant you the power of omniscience.

    A key issue in this election is renewable energy, yet oddly enough again you would expect the candidate of change to be well different but you guessed it again Obama is nothing new to politics. Whats amazing is his energy plan, I dig that windfall profits tax. If I were to ask each and every one of you right now why someone starts a business it would elicit many answers but I was fishing for the word profit. It's what keeps men and women hungry, dreams of financial freedom. I absolutely love hearing about big bad oil.

    Hey I got an idea, let's try something that's been done before... windfall profits tax! Neat, I sit relaxed knowing we have a presidential candidate that feels the oil business is unlike any other and is WRONG for making profit. Clearly we can see how terrible it is that the owner of the crude business is making some money from his efforts. I can draw some pretty good pictures but Ill leave the visualization up to you, I've never seen Mother Teresa endorse big oil. If you support a candidate that decides he will become the determining factor on how many record breaking profits Exxon Mobil takes home I strongly urge to hit the red x button at the top of your screen. The minute our government intervenes in matters such as this we need to pause. During this pause we need to think of how this character can justify to himself as well as the American public that he is much more fit to make this decision then the owner of the business himself because well he's smarter : shrugs : I think if someone had intervened in barry's financial world and told him to hit the bench he wouldn't have been cool with it.

    On a positive note, I invite renewable energy sources! I can't wait until they are available. But until then, keep my wallet full of money because if I decide to buy a fluro light bulb I bought it because it would SAVE me money, not because if my memory serves me correctly in 2012 a mandate will take my incandescent's I have grown to love over the years will no longer be delivered to the shelves. The light that turns on when i hit the switch. The light that DIDN'T need to be cautiously taken care of in a case situation where I may have dropped or broken a bulb during installation. No sorry Joseph we can no longer sell your favorite bulb, only this higher cost fluro will be allowed in America, because well being green is cool. Its a new trend. We can save the world, really! We just need more of your tax dollars and well get that taken care of. I dont understand how the concept of paying more for a product that delivers less but under the guise of saving the earth people jump on it like hot cakes.

    Arousing to everyone the idea of someone making decisions for us that tells us if we just got a darn tune up and inflate our tires we could lower prices more effectively then drilling. Oh wait here it comes surprise keeping your tires properly inflated and tune ups do help but simple economics states that if the supply goes up prices goes down. Now I cant wait to read the response to this but i hear its a popular answer that it'll take 8 - 10 years to see any benefits at the pump if we drill now. I'm not usually a gambling man, but I got two choices. One I can believe Gore and we can completely curb fossil fuel usage in a decade (impossible) or two I can gamble on the fact that the technology is currently not where it needs to be to make an impact so Ill vote for drill now, because 10 years from now I still need to drive an hour from home to any grocery store because I didn't sit well with being an average American. I was one of those guys that just didn't want to make a small amount of money I was greedy. I wanted to follow my dream of having a big home and family in the country and the worlds profit to myself! Sarcasm is getting the best of me but this entire campaign saga has just been soaked with irony. Every single issue the democrat party raises it contradicts itself shortly after.

    We keep hearing how the Democrats are the party of today and tomorrow and how the past is best left well in the past. Yet within uttering this the speaker urges us to emulate the past and accept the premise that we should ask ourselves if we are capable of emulating past behavior during an "Unnamed" Democratic victory of the white house. Coincidental that it went unnamed? Nope hard to debate something without information. I really wonder how Al feels when he hops off his private jet and gets limo ed to the microphone to tell us what we can cut out of our lives to help the planet that are inapplicable to him because just like Arnold, he pay's a carbon emission fee. Or in simpler terms, I like to make decisions that will have lasting impacts on everyone but only when it's inapplicable to me.

    Throughout this read I am quite sure you have picked up on the bias, at least I ADMIT to it as well as agreeing that I am merely an observer in the political arena. I have no clout, what I have is a passion for my beliefs and if you can show me I'm wrong I'm open to the idea that I couldn't possibly know everything because I don't, but what I do know is the candidate promising the least amount of experience extremely expensive social projects, raising taxes for the rich that provided us and even me before I decided to be an elitist and start my own business because well it was too easy for me to become successful. My attempts at entrepreneurship were not met with open arms and I failed numerous times. Thankfully for me, My core ideas and values led me to be hungry in defeat and rewrite my goals so they could become attainable ONLY if i went and grabbed them. My friends, Obama is NOT what we have been waiting for, this is not the change we can believe in. PS ; I'm not even a republican, I am an independent. One of those guys that votes based on character, not on which side the man is on and how many stimulus checks I can get if we elect him. This rant could continue but Ive grown bored with trying to understand why this race is even this close. One candidate who absolutely is a mystery and another candidate with a vast amount of experience, hmmmm...... Hard choice!

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    Re: Good ol' television

    You just spent eight long paragraphs bashing Obama. So now what is it about McCain that you like? (assuming you like him, according to your last sentence. Or maybe you don't?)

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    Forgive me for taking so long to give a formal response, and don't worry this time around I will not need 8 paragraph's to illustrate why I feel McCain should not easily but most likely end up the next president of the United States of America.

    Long ago the American dream was merely an idea. While we tune in our televisions for both parties conventions let us not forget that this idea was merely a thought, a thought that manifested into action, action that then turned into success, a success that was dubbed the new land of the free, The United States of America. A land that offered more to its citizens then ever before, land that promised a free life if the people were willing to participate and work together to preserve a strong set of ideal's that kept this country thriving for 232 prosperous years. It is no coincidence that it has existed this long considering the American dream has always been vibrant, and has always existed from day one of its conception. Over the next few weeks we will continue to hear about Obama's chance at renewing the American dream and maybe just possibly some information clearly projecting to the American people why he is qualified to lead this country.

    This is not the case for McCain. He will stand on the sidelines because you and I need not question his experience, we already know hes upheld his oath to the constitution, we already know he has what is needed to do the job. A man with strong morals, character, and dedication to keep his country the best in the world. His lifetime experience and wisdom is what he has offered to his fellow countrymen. His experience could play a large role in saving this country from outside attacks as well as inside and let us not forget this world is NOT a world of peace. John McCain will win this campaign because he does not need to rekindle the American dream. John McCain will win this election because he does not need speech's and large Hollywood stage sets to help him address the American people. John McCain will win this election because he is the only candidate running that is running a campaign based on two of the most important issues the President is responsible for fulfilling. To appoint supreme court justices that protect NOT interpret the constitution based on preconceived paradigm and lastly but not least assuming the role of The Commander in Chief. While it appears Obama is something new, he failed from the get go. He promised something he could not deliver. No one man can ever make this country a better place, but one man can inspire the country to strive to be a better place. Obama cannot deliver this message effectively because he is confined to party lines on a level far worse then McCain.

    Mark my words wolf, John McCain will be our next president and it will be because of his actions not his words. His entire life has been about action, and this is something Obama cannot create a speech to show the American people. He cannot show them hard facts as to why they need not worry if he is elected. Obama's entire campaign has been offering something that has never been available. Change and hope cannot be delivered, they can only be inspired. Obama is pro big govt based on the policies that he supports, because without big govt there is absolutely zero money available to implement his wonderful plans. And Im not sure about you, but Im voting for the candidate that promises the LEAST amount of change when it comes to govt policy. The larger the govt gets and the deeper it dives into social issues it forgets in a free society NOT everyone will take advantage of their chance, the citizens of America all have an equal chance at success if they are willing to take the steps needed to achieve success. America has never been about a man changing its policies, it has been a place millions have immigrated to legally and illegally to have the chance to elect their officials and chase there financial dreams because it has always been a land for the hungry to eat. There is NO SUCH THING as an average American despite what Obama would like you to believe. Placing average before American is extremely hard to do because every citizen has the right to an education, the right to college, and the right to pursue his or her dreams because these were steps that bettered there chances of success. The US has never given the right of success to people of its land, its people have given success to the USA. This country is great because of its people. The next 4 years are going to be extremely prosperous years of America's history no matter who the candidate may be. But it will be much safer with the candidate who offers the most life experience and wisdom to the job and that my friend is John McCain.
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    Re: Good ol' television

    Like I asked in another post, does the candidate with the most experience automatically get the job? Both candidates are senators, by the way.

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    Wolf. I'm going to get extreme here because I sense its needed. When you reach a certain age you begin to realize there are certain moral issues that must be followed. There is a reason why a college graduate fresh out of school will not be applicable to fill a CEO's position. If you want to debate with me that experience is unnecessary please grow a set of nuts and support your claim. Your question is frivolous, its like me asking you if you have to urinate a few times daily, I know you will answer yes. Chalk up, this could be a good debate, explain yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joseph Lee H View Post
    If you want to debate with me that experience is unnecessary please grow a set of nuts and support your claim.
    Well, I certainly never said experience was unnecessary. My point is that the candidate with the most experience in the Senate does not automatically make them a good president, although of course I think McCain would be a fine president. As I said in my other post, Palin has more executive experience than Obama, Biden, and McCain, right? And from what I can tell, executive experience trumps legislative experience. So do you think Palin should be President right now?

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    On a positive note, I invite renewable energy sources! I can't wait until they are available. But until then, keep my wallet full of money because if I decide to buy a fluro light bulb I bought it because it would SAVE me money, not because if my memory serves me correctly in 2012 a mandate will take my incandescent's I have grown to love over the years will no longer be delivered to the shelves. The light that turns on when i hit the switch. The light that DIDN'T need to be cautiously taken care of in a case situation where I may have dropped or broken a bulb during installation. No sorry Joseph we can no longer sell your favorite bulb, only this higher cost fluro will be allowed in America, because well being green is cool. Its a new trend. We can save the world, really! We just need more of your tax dollars and well get that taken care of. I dont understand how the concept of paying more for a product that delivers less but under the guise of saving the earth people jump on it like hot cakes.
    What law is this?

    On another note, flourescent bulbs save you money by using less energy to produce light. Energy costs money. Their initial cost is higher than that of an incandescent bulb, but in the long run, it is worth it. So, how does a flourescent bulb "deliver less", or make you "pay more"?

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    Thank you for praising Palin, because she is on the ticket as VP for John McCain who need I remind you is running for President. We are not debating what isn't we are debating what is. The fact of the matter is we need not question hypothetical's when discussing politics, we must challenge ourselves to vote for who would best serve the US's population and this does not include classes. This election is pivotal to American history, it is the election that will decide what America wants in the 21st century. Does America want socialism or does America want to continue being America. The presidential seal created by Mr Obama is an example of this ideology. The change he want's to bring didn't fit the normal American presidential seal because America has never accepted the idea's commonly associated with socialist/communist/fascist governments. A new America no matter how attractive is NOT America.

    Universal healthcare, tax increases on the wealthy but cuts for the middle class are not American ideals and if you can articulate to me how they are I challenge you to do so. Promoting to help the middle class is nothing new in politics and is impossible unless EVERYONE is the same. If EVERYONE is the same we are no longer able to have trickle down economics, we have bottom to the top economics which has the countries leaders being the only men and women aloud to dictate their daily lives. Infact about 232 years ago a few proud Europeans decided this idea did not offer them the life they wanted and won a war on ideology that gave birth to America. The only reason the free world worked is because we were free. Im not sure about you but while tuned into the Olympics I noticed the media being extremely critical of China after seeing the dancing performances and lip synced performance of a very wonderful young little girl. Yet this same media has a love affair with the left promoting universal healthcare and social reform that allows the government to become bigger then it already is.

    The rich that are willing participate have nothing to fear because they have already invested into the pocketbook of the left. It's not coincidental movie stars, huge corporations, and many wealthy american's have donated money and have come to aid this left agenda because if Obama is elected you and I will not EVER have a chance at becoming wealthy. We will not have a choice of deciding which school is best for our children, we will not have a choice for healthcare, we will not have a choice on anything. I challenge you to educate yourself in America's history these ideal's are not new and have been pushed for numerous times throughout our history. I find it comical hearing Obama pretend to understand the middle class and preach McCain is out of touch. Both of these men started with little to no money and became what they are now because of the American dream.

    America had a love affair with communism before the genocide in nazi germany. After this chain of events the American citizens could NEVER promote communist ideology because they witnessed what happens if everyone is the same but those same individuals in power had a new job, finding words masking their true intentions. They could no longer have a pro communist view so new words replaced communism/fascism etc. Ill give you an example of how words influence how we interpret them, global warming and climate change. Both promote one thing yet are completely different words and are perfect at pushing an agenda because the premise cannot be questioned. No one wants the world to dissapear and no one wants to be responsible for pollution. But when logical people look at things they see cause and effect. They see what you were trying to do to me Wolf in your last post, bait me into a conversation that you miserably failed with due to your inexperience in communication and thinking I may not be as enlightened as yourself. And the cause here is changing the way you and I live to "save" the world and the effect is less freedom.

    Bring the flaming I challenge anyone on this forum to debate any of these issues because everyone is subjected to one side when they turn on there television, when they go to college, when they complete k-12 all of which are dominated by leftist special interest groups or donations from the left. Forgein countries such as South Korea have built in loudspeakers that cannot be silenced so the government can pass there propoganda and we americans have a television. I challenge you to research who owns which broadcast stations, I challenge you to research who owns the newspaper industry, they are only a few men who control everything and they are the men promoting these wonderful idea's pushed by the left. Follow the money trails and you will find the motives behind the whole movement. I challenge you to have an open mind.

    In 2008 the left has a wonderful strategy. They have the media, they selected powerful individuals that were able to be the catalyst for the change they desire. Hillary and Obama were two wonderful choices because they offer candidates that are protected by two things. Race and gender, extremely touchy issues among Americans to this very day because sexism and racism still run wildly rampid among the world. But they made a fatal mistake by generalizing the population. If Obama had selected Hillary as his running mate this election would already be over. Obama did what most boxing stars make, he believed his own hype. He did not even vet Hillary. This election comes down to one thing, women. Half of the DNC was spent on Hillary because it was such a touchy subject that needed to be put to rest in order to acquire the vote from women. Running a campaign on change and selecting a senator for VP that has been in washington as many years as Biden is hardly the change I need. Running a campaign basing its entire arguement on Bush is fatal because need I remind you BUSH IS GOING TO BE GONE in november. Obama spoke of American having enough. He was right, I have had enough of powerful individuals questioning the intelligence of American citizens. You see articles in the newspaper claiming the peoples voices were not heard and constant news stories about Hillary being the winner of the Democrat caucus's but whats shocking is why even push the story? It only appeals the part of the population who doesn't understand the system. The popular vote doesn't decide the winner the delegates did, that small snippet was all the people needed to hear about. Not more BS that is used to dumb down the nation.

    While I understand we have all been conditioned to deem all of the above crazy because it just couldn't possibly happen I urge you to question this information and research it. I never speak to have people blindly follow my words, I speak to inspire people to get involved in politics because when I found out about this information I did my part and became educated. After acquiring a degree in political science I ran for a chair on the board in my local city. I have been serving my state and running my business for numerous years and it was only when I understood the nature of how our government ran that I became successful. When we are conditioned to accept things we no longer seek evidence or information when following the orders of our leaders. Blind faith is extremely dangerous which has been demonstrated throughout history. It is only when we are open minded and realize we know nothing when we reach the peak of awareness. There will never be one man that can give us Hope. There will never be one man to give us change, their will be many men working with checks and balances to make sure our government will never become corrupt. The only way for this system to work is for the people to be in the dark. In the earliest points of human history we know slaves were uneducated and the leaders were the only enlightened individuals. Need I tell you history repeats itself but only if we have forgotten.

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    First Welcome to ODN.

    I live in Illinois and Barrack Obama has been part of my political reality for 12 years. I am pasting here a piece I wrote for publication I wrote yesterday. It's intended audience is people in Illinois.

    "Who do you trust? Will your choice this November be able to deliver on what they say?

    Illinois has painfully needed change for far too long.

    Politicians using government employees as private patronage armies; pay to play; ghost payrollers; influence peddling; nepotism run amok; all this and more have been tolerated as “business as usual” in this state. So what did freshman Sen. Barrack Obama do here to combat this corruption? What has Obama delivered Illinoisans in his 140 working days in the US Senate?

    Do his supporters here honestly believe Obama will bring our country real positive change? Or do they only lust after the political prestige and corrupt wasteful pork they expect such a victory to bring them and their cronies here?

    Obama’s Democratic primary opponents long decried the hypocrisy and hollowness of Obama’s empty platitudes that comprise his stirring, scripted oratory. Yet they all fall right in line now. More “politics as usual”, right? Were they lying then; or are they only lying now? We, here in Illinois know Obama’s record for delivering real change. It does not exist.

    John McCain has a real record as a reformer; as an agent of change with true courage. As his running mate he chose an honest, smart, tough, loving mother who also has a record of bringing real change. Palin crushed the corrupt Old-Boy’s Club politics of her own party in America’s largest state. Then she cut many millions of dollars of government waste there. And the Democrats say Sarah Palin has no experience?

    Oh but if Obama only had some of Palin’s record for bringing such change to our state? Perhaps then Illinoisans would not be regularly assaulted with stories of official corruption here? Perhaps then we would not suffer from some of the highest taxes in the country?

    Illinois with America will have to make a decision in November. Do we place our trust on the empty words and imagined accomplishments of a man who has not done in our home state what he promises to do for the country? …Or do we choose a team headed by a real hero, with a real record of fighting partisanship and government waste; who has chosen as his second: a real-deal, honest reformer -- who also happens to be a working mom? Who do you trust to actually deliver?"



    Consider this.

    In Obama's big speech he said these words:


    "I know there are those who dismiss such beliefs as happy talk. They claim that our insistence on something larger, something firmer and more honest in our public life is just a Trojan horse for higher taxes and the abandonment of traditional values. And that's to be expected. Because if you don't have any fresh ideas, then you use stale tactics to scare the voters. If you don't have a record to run on, then you paint your opponent as someone people should run from.

    You make a big election about small things.

    And you know what ? it's worked before."



    And then at almost the same time his campaign releases this ad and it ran during the cable news shows after Palin's announced joining the ticket.







    IS Obama a man who can be trusted to do what he says?


    Who will actually deliver change once they have been elected? Given Obama's words and actions, it would appear he himself, does not even give much weight to what he says.
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    Thank you for the welcome Spart most appreciated. I have to give you kudo's on this publication, wonderfully articulated and amazingly to the point. I signed up here to practice debating to become more effective on the board and inspire others to participate on a local level. I am sick and tired of hearing what can I do, I am only one voice. You get ten thousand voices together and you get change. My city has many men representing the state that are corrupt in the worst ways possible. This corruption is possible because we all lead busy lives and when we do not participate we allow incompetent men to lead us into sinkholes.

 

 

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