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    Canada: Liberals Threaten To Topple Tory Government...Yet Again

    It was only 10 months ago when some of us were on the edge of our seats, anticipating the collapse of the Harper Government, and in its place, a new coalition full of "socialists and separatists". Many were sure that the Harper Government would not last, and that the coalition of the Liberals and New Democrats along with the support of the Bloc Quebecois would prevail, with Dion as its leader. The request by Harper to prorogue parliament for nearly a month was granted by Michaelle Jean, the Governor General of Canada, in a decision that perhaps saved the Prime Minister from sure defeat. The decision essentially avoided a vote of non-confidence and ultimately saved the PM's minority government.

    Now things are a little different. The former Liberal leader Stephan Dion stepped down and was replaced by Michael Ignatieff. But what hasn't changed is the same liberal persistent strategy in its thirst for power. Some would say that the liberals still have a bad taste in their mouth by seeking revenge for their last devastating election loss back in October of '08. In early September, Ignatieff decided that he was ready to pull the plug and topple the Harper's Conservative party from power at any impending opportunity he got. "Mr. Harper, your time is up", are the words he used. The boat was sailing and the liberal campaign financiers and managers were putting together political ads and getting the election fever rising. However, few Canadians were enthusiastic and willing to hop on, over another bid by the Liberals to take power.

    In one campaign ad titled "Worldview" Ignatieff says: "We need a new way of thinking. The slogan reads "We Can Do Better". But the Conservatives weren't willing to sit there and watch without a response and recently produced many attack ads aimed at showing Ignatieff's selfish and incompetent personality, even using quotes from Ignatieff himself in which he refers to himself as "horribly arrogant". The ads are "attempting to paint him as an arrogant intellectual who only returned to his native country to fulfill his quest for power". Among key slogans is one that says, "I'm Just Visiting" referring to his 34 year hiatus from Canada, and coming back only after accepting a liberal offer of a safe Toronto seat in Parliament.

    But there is certainly much substance to these ads than merely style. While in the United States, Ignatieff continually spoke in the third person plural whenever describing the US and calling it his home, even saying, in one sound bite: "You have to decide what kind of America you want...it's your country just as it is mine". In one quote, Ignatieff says that Britain is his "adopted country" (in his book Blood and Belonging, Pg.11), even going as far as voting in British elections and admitted to voting for the Labour Party. In another quote, the former Harvard Professor said: "If I am not elected, I imagine that I will ask Harvard to let me back".

    One thing is for sure: Canadians are not looking for another election, and even so, Ignatieff is certainly not the leader that Canadians want. In the summer, the Tories and Liberals were virtually tied for support; each party gaining roughly 34% support. In a recent poll conducted exclusively for the CBC, it shows the Tories in the lead with 37% support, followed by the Liberals with 29.9%, the New Democrats with 13.8%, the Green Party with 10.2% and the Bloc with 9.1%. A potential election would make it Canada's fourth federal election in only five years. Ultimately, what Canadians don't need is a leader like Ignatieff who doesn't have Canadian interests at heart nor a good economic plan and a Liberal Party that will stop at nothing to reclaim power once again.
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    Re: Canada: Liberals Threaten To Topple Tory Government...Yet Again

    I'm not a fan of Harper's, I've been hoping his government would fall since it came into power. Now I'm just hoping that the election isn't before February, that way I'll be able to vote.

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    Re: Canada: Liberals Threaten To Topple Tory Government...Yet Again

    Quote Originally Posted by Epic View Post
    I'm not a fan of Harper's, I've been hoping his government would fall since it came into power. Now I'm just hoping that the election isn't before February, that way I'll be able to vote.
    Glad to say the alleged threat by the Liberals was short lived, as a result of the NDP's refusal to follow along. I commend Layton for that very much, even if I do not agree with most of his views. He understood that an election was the least important thing right now. So now, rather than having to worry about Ignatieff and the Liberals hurrying to topple Harper, (literally doing anything to gain power) while millions would've been spent on an election which Canadians were not enthusiastic towards, we can now focus on the economy, and help recover through the Economic Action Plan put forward by the Conservative government. I am a little disappointed that Harper did not make it to the Copenhagen Climate Change meeting though, however I'm faithful in the government's promise to invest in alternative energy. What do you think about Harper still being in power?

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    Re: Canada: Liberals Threaten To Topple Tory Government...Yet Again

    Like I said before, I'm not wild about Harper at all; I don't like him as a person (by that I mean his mannerisms/public persona) or his politics that much, although I will say that I'm with him on the military and I'm happy that he's increased spending in that sector. Harper did actually make it to Copenhagen, he just sulked and skulked [he'd said that he'd only go if Obama went (he said that when it looked like Obama wouldn't be going) and when Obama did wind up going he had to too] although he might as well have stayed in Canada for all the appearances he made.

    At the moment the Liberals seem to be floundering a little bit and I'd rather Harper stay in power for another year or so until the Libs are ready than have the Liberals take over now and make a muck of things for the Conservatives to point back at in the years to come.
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    Re: Canada: Liberals Threaten To Topple Tory Government...Yet Again

    Mere allegations that the Liberals are "power-hungry" and caricatures of Ignatieff as an outsider do not speak to the relative competence of the different options available to Canadians. Obviously, the Liberals have remained at parity with the Tories since their leadership race, given that they aren't stupid enough to put out a policy platform with the Conservatives awash in donations. I have little doubt, though, that between the several thousand apologies issued by the Harper government for local and international indiscretions, the blundering of Copenhagen, the breaking of numerous campaign promises, the exercising of executive privilege when Harper's very mandate to govern was in question (through his prorogation of parliament) and the slow action on the economy, Canadians will not have much difficulty at all opting for a Liberal government come the next election.

    It was bad enough that Harper had the personality of a pylon; it seems like his policy was never much stronger than cheap plastic either.
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    Re: Canada: Liberals Threaten To Topple Tory Government...Yet Again

    Quote Originally Posted by starcreator View Post
    Mere allegations that the Liberals are "power-hungry" and caricatures of Ignatieff as an outsider do not speak to the relative competence of the different options available to Canadians. Obviously, the Liberals have remained at parity with the Tories since their leadership race, given that they aren't stupid enough to put out a policy platform with the Conservatives awash in donations. I have little doubt, though, that between the several thousand apologies issued by the Harper government for local and international indiscretions, the blundering of Copenhagen, the breaking of numerous campaign promises, the exercising of executive privilege when Harper's very mandate to govern was in question (through his prorogation of parliament) and the slow action on the economy, Canadians will not have much difficulty at all opting for a Liberal government come the next election.

    It was bad enough that Harper had the personality of a pylon; it seems like his policy was never much stronger than cheap plastic either.
    I'm sure if the Canadians felt that Ignatieff and the Liberals were 'fit' to lead Canada, they would certainly have their arms open to another election. That's simply not the case. The last election (in '08) proved to be one of the most embarrassing elections in Canadian history for the Liberal Party, losing nearly 19% of their seats; that was under Dion. We've seen that Ignatieff's election-threat last September actually proved to be a detriment to his public preference on a national scale.

    The same "do-everything-and-anything-to-become-Prime-Minister" strategy has been adopted by Ignatieff. First, he said that he did not support the coalition to topple Harper, when he clearly signed his name on the letter to the Governor General endorsing the coalition. This same 'election-mongering' strategy that was seen in the last Liberal leadership by Dion is being used by Ignatieff. There's not much difference the two, when you take into consideration their overwhelming persistence to gain power. Well...at least Dion didn't leave Canada and then, after 34 years, return, and only after being guaranteed a seat in Parliament. Canadians have decided: "Ignatieff will NOT be our leader and the Liberals will not lead our nation". Ultimately, it's the will of Canadians that matters most!

 

 

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