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    Sexualizing children.



    God save the little children -- from us.

    What a shame. Some of the little girls in this video have some real talent. They all obviously worked very hard to learn their routine...

    But what were their parents thinking? Were they out to make a soft-core porn video for Pedos?

    Buying them costumes akin to what one finds on strippers...all they are missing are the large fake breasts, "big booties" and the dollar bills in their panties. The breasts and booties will come with puberty -- in another 5 years of more -- and given this performance, I'm sure their parents are the sort to buy their little darlings breast implants in about ten years just in time for prom no doubt -- (yes, that's right they are from California)

    What was the dance teacher thinking?

    Supposedly they copied this dance from the animated film "Alvin and the Chipmunks -- the Squeaqual" -- but these are little girls -- not cartoon figures. Did the teacher have to see they did all of those moves, the way they di those moves? In those costumes no less?

    Am I alone in thinking that such performances, in such costumes, should not be done by little girls ages 7-8?

    Why do so many parents have trouble making good parenting decisions?

    My ten year old today is going on a field trip every 5th grader in our school district goes on about now before moving onto Middle School. She and her classmates are going to spend the whole day learning about human sexual reproduction....something tells me the girls in this video already know much too much of what my 10 year old is going to learn.

    Does anyone want to defend the parents and teacher?

    What was their motivation? Are the moms trying to live vicariously through their little girls? Is this what the generation who grew up with MTVs "Realworld" think is good parenting? DO you think any of the fathers expect their daughters will remain virgins at least through High School? Are the fathers even in the picture?

    I won't let my 17 year old leave the house unless she is reasonably modestly dressed? She shares my views on fashion....but we still have disagreements. If I saw one of my daughters -- at any age under 18 dancing like that, I would get up and pull them off the stage?

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    Re: Sexualizing children.

    The issue I have is not with the dance moves (well, with the exception of 1:52, what the hell!), but with what they were wearing. I completely agree that it was an inappropriate performance because of that. The leg extensions are moves you would see in a ballet recital and that wouldn't raise feathers. Same with figure skating. It's because of the song, and the outfits that were picked out. These girls are incredibly talented and it's a shame that they were made to look like. . . whores.

    I think you're a bit out there with some of what you posted. Like:

    Were they out to make a soft-core porn video for Pedos?

    something tells me the girls in this video already know much too much of what my 10 year old is going to learn.

    Is this what the generation who grew up with MTVs "Realworld" think is good parenting? DO you think any of the fathers expect their daughters will remain virgins at least through High School? Are the fathers even in the picture?
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    Good grief! Why is it that parents allow such young children to dress like a hooker. I only watched the first half but I counted 13 moves I thought were too sexual. I think some of this comes from the girl singer/groups that parents allow their children to view.
    As Spartv said, when my daughter was 17, well I'll just say she never dressed provactively. She has always had good taste in clothing and never dressed in a way that would be acceptable for any place she goes.
    Man Spart, I'm willing to bet that what you have presented disgusts you as much as it does me. For some reason my mind flashes back to the Benet Ramsey(sp?) case. Even though she wasn't dressed like a hooker she still was taught to strut around in a way that an adult entertainer would. Why in then hell do parents do that to their kids? Can't we have "beauty contest" that dresses little girls like little girls and have them walk like a little girl walks?
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    Re: Sexualizing children.

    Okay, lets get a little context with this video, they are dancing to the song below and at some points trying to imitate dance moves from it:



    (Which the weird chipmunk film also tried to imitate)

    I think the dancing is amazing, very energetic and good choreography. For such young dancers, it shows that if they continue they will probably have a future in it (or a select couple).

    Yes, the clothes are skimpy and very showgirly but to go so far as to compare this to soft core pornography for pedo's is extreme. Although the performance has some suggestive dance moves (which have been taken from the video above) they aren't that bad. If they had turned Britney Spears's old song, I'm a slave for you (from 2001 when Britney herself was actually 19) into a performance, I would of probably been more disturbed.

    The song isn't suggestive in itself, it's actually promoting a good message. Don't be a slut. Just listen to the lyrics.

    So, to me these girls were dancing to a song that isn't suggestive. And their dance moves show more athleticism than they do sexual behaviour. What would you prefer them to wear when performing to this song?

    They aren't stripping or pole dancing here. But I do see where people would get annoyed AND if I was a father, I don't think I'd like my daughter wearing this at all (maybe that would be down to the protective father thing though).
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    Re: Sexualizing children.

    Quote Originally Posted by Swindall View Post
    The song isn't suggestive in itself, it's actually promoting a good message. Don't be a slut. Just listen to the lyrics.
    So, if these girls were getting railed by bald 40 year olds in mustard-stained shirts, it would be ok because the lyrics promote a good message?

    The fact remains that these little girls are dressed much too provocatively for what society calls decent. Those outfits on a 20 year old woman would be considered revealing and provocative; on an 8 year old, it's just... wrong. I'd be willing to bet at least one of those girls has a pair of short-shorts that says "Juicy" right on the bottom....

    Yeah, they are extremely talented, but there is no cause or justification for dressing them up like whores and having them perform some of the more provocative moves.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Gonzo View Post
    So, if these girls were getting railed by bald 40 year olds in mustard-stained shirts, it would be ok because the lyrics promote a good message?
    What angle here are you debating me from? I clearly made a point about the song, I didn't use the song to justify why I felt it wasn't that bad, I was merely stating a fact.

    And the fact is, if this song was called "Single ladies find a man to f*ck", as oppose to "Single ladies", you would be making statements about the song. I on the other hand have pointed out that one of the positives of this video is that, at least the song they are dancing to has a good message.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swindall View Post
    What angle here are you debating me from? I clearly made a point about the song, I didn't use the song to justify why I felt it wasn't that bad, I was merely stating a fact.

    And the fact is, if this song was called "Single ladies find a man to f*ck", as oppose to "Single ladies", you would be making statements about the song. I on the other hand have pointed out that one of the positives of this video is that, at least the song they are dancing to has a good message.
    My point was that the music being benign is irrelevant. If the song were bad, then it would also matter, but all that aside, the girls are still extremely under-dressed and gyrating in ways that usually illicit another $20 from me at the strip club.

    Here's a question for the masses: Would you let your 8 year old daughter (or sister, or other relative) go to the mall dressed like that? Would you be comfortable taking them out in public dressed up like a skank? Understand that a dance competetion-type thing isn't the same as a pool, where bikinis are appropriate (but, again, on a girl that young?), and I also realize that it's not church where high collars and floor-length skirts are considered respectful attire. But it is public, and the room is full of strangers, just like a mall would be. So, would you take your little girl out to the mall dressed like that?

    Even Beyonce wasn't showing her midriff in her video, just sayin'...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Gonzo View Post
    My point was that the music being benign is irrelevant. If the song were bad, then it would also matter...
    Which is exactly why I made my comment. I was highlighting a positive that nobody else had - and the fact that if the song had added to the negatives, it would of been shouted about throughout the thread, gave me even more reason to point out the positives. So, no... It's not irrelevant at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Swindall View Post
    Which is exactly why I made my comment. I was highlighting a positive that nobody else had - and the fact that if the song had added to the negatives, it would of been shouted about throughout the thread, gave me even more reason to point out the positives. So, no... It's not irrelevant at all.
    If the music was also blatantly provocative (and it is borderline provocative - "if you like it, put a ring on it" is CLEARLY referring to naughty bits, as evidenced by Beyonce "popping it"), more so along the lines of Brittany's "Slave," then it would be one more thing counting against the parents and choreographer of these little girls. However, as it was not, that is not a positive - it is merely one more thing they managed to not get atrociously wrong. Like I said, there wasn't a naked 40-year old man up there with them, so they at least have that going for them.... right? (<--- That's not a point in their favor, either - you're not supposed to have little girls in that position, just like you're not supposed to have little girls dress like whores and dance too provocatively for their age.)

    It just sounded like you were using the so-called "positive message" of the song as a way to substantiate what I (and others) call the inappropriate encouragement of these children on behalf of their parents. Forgive me if I got it all wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Gonzo View Post
    If the music was also blatantly provocative (and it is borderline provocative - "if you like it, put a ring on it" is CLEARLY referring to naughty bits, as evidenced by Beyonce "popping it"), more so along the lines of Brittany's "Slave," then it would be one more thing counting against the parents and choreographer of these little girls.
    Well I'd have to disagree, and say that, that could be taken any way. It could be said that, if your in a relationship with a man but he's taking you for granted/thinks you will always be there/is not willing to commit then leave him. "If you liked it then you shoulda put a ring on it"

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Gonzo View Post
    However, as it was not, that is not a positive - it is merely one more thing they managed to not get atrociously wrong.
    Call it an accidental positive if it makes you feel better Dr.G, it's not a negative because it's a positive.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Gonzo View Post
    It just sounded like you were using the so-called "positive message" of the song as a way to substantiate what I (and others) call the inappropriate encouragement of these children on behalf of their parents. Forgive me if I got it all wrong.
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    I didn't use the song to justify why I felt it wasn't that bad, I was merely stating a fact.
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    This is horrible. Do we really want to force kids to grow up this quickly? They are children, not adults. Any parent with half a brain would be smart enough to realise that dressing their kids like hookers is simply not on.

    Remember Jon Benet? What a pedophiles dream she was - and she ended up dead. How many sickos are out there, watching this video on Youtube getting their jollies?
    Don't these parents want to protect their children?

    We already have five year olds wearing bras and g strings, we have kids as young as 6 admitted to hospital with eating disorders - and now we have a bunch of so called parents parading their half naked children around like they are in a Christina Auguilera videoclip?

    It's amazing that this kind of thing is even legal.
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    The main reason for the unwanted behaviour of nowdays kids is lack of social and moral teachings.they aren't afraid of anyone and thinks that they can do everything by themselves.they are overusing their rights

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    Sorry, even if I could look past the hip thrusts and the "humping" the outfits are entirely wrong and take away from the point the song itself was about. The message would better be sent using older girls, even then, dressing trampy sends a sexual message more so than it sends a protective caution message to young girls.
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    I don't know, but the 7 and 8 year old girls I know all look innocent and fragile. I can't imagine seeing my daughter wearing such an outfit and making such provocative moves on a dance floor. This seems to be more of an American thing?

    I am a mother who will support any effort my child want to take on to learn dancing, but if a teacher dresses her like that I will definitely stop it. I can't imagine a mother sitting in the crowd being proud of what she sees.

    It is sad though and I wonder sometimes if these little girls have any say in this. I get the impression that many mothers pushes their daughters into things like this so that they can prove something. Just don't ask me what.
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    Quote Originally Posted by himanshu10140 View Post
    The main reason for the unwanted behaviour of nowdays kids is lack of social and moral teachings.they aren't afraid of anyone and thinks that they can do everything by themselves.they are overusing their rights
    So, you would suggest that we scare children into doing what we want them to do - or how we think they should behave. How do you know, the way you want them to behave is the right way. Scaring children into doing things, is not a good idea. Moreover, what "rights" are children "overusing"?
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    God save the little children -- from us.

    What a shame. Some of the little girls in this video have some real talent. They all obviously worked very hard to learn their routine...

    But what were their parents thinking? Were they out to make a soft-core porn video for Pedos?

    Buying them costumes akin to what one finds on strippers...all they are missing are the large fake breasts, "big booties" and the dollar bills in their panties. The breasts and booties will come with puberty -- in another 5 years of more -- and given this performance, I'm sure their parents are the sort to buy their little darlings breast implants in about ten years just in time for prom no doubt -- (yes, that's right they are from California)

    What was the dance teacher thinking?

    Supposedly they copied this dance from the animated film "Alvin and the Chipmunks -- the Squeaqual" -- but these are little girls -- not cartoon figures. Did the teacher have to see they did all of those moves, the way they di those moves? In those costumes no less?

    Am I alone in thinking that such performances, in such costumes, should not be done by little girls ages 7-8?

    Why do so many parents have trouble making good parenting decisions?

    My ten year old today is going on a field trip every 5th grader in our school district goes on about now before moving onto Middle School. She and her classmates are going to spend the whole day learning about human sexual reproduction....something tells me the girls in this video already know much too much of what my 10 year old is going to learn.

    Does anyone want to defend the parents and teacher?

    What was their motivation? Are the moms trying to live vicariously through their little girls? Is this what the generation who grew up with MTVs "Realworld" think is good parenting? DO you think any of the fathers expect their daughters will remain virgins at least through High School? Are the fathers even in the picture?

    I won't let my 17 year old leave the house unless she is reasonably modestly dressed? She shares my views on fashion....but we still have disagreements. If I saw one of my daughters -- at any age under 18 dancing like that, I would get up and pull them off the stage?

    Am I alone in my opinion?
    You aren't alone at all. It is a parent's responsibility to both keep the idea of sex from being so taboo (done of course to divert youthful people from falling prey to reverse psychology), but at the same time explaining the proper behavior, it's benefits, and all of the various demerits that follow in suit if one chooses to let lust control him/her.

    And this is way, way too complex a matter for a mind that early in it's development to have to deal with. It isn't fair to bring a miasma of demonization of such acts in conjunction with the near reverence other sources give such behavior. A mind that young doesn't stand a chance against such a problem. Far too much jargon to sift through (on both sides).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jamie View Post

    I think you're a bit out there with some of what you posted. Like:

    Were they out to make a soft-core porn video for Pedos?

    something tells me the girls in this video already know much too much of what my 10 year old is going to learn.

    Is this what the generation who grew up with MTVs "Realworld" think is good parenting? DO you think any of the fathers expect their daughters will remain virgins at least through High School? Are the fathers even in the picture?
    "Out there"

    All of those "beauty pagenats" for little girls strictly control does and does not record them -- because many tapes of such events have been found in the possession of pedos. When a pedo is parrolled or out on bail judges often that they not be able to possess children's clothing catalogs.

    So no I think the soft-core porn for pedo comment was warranted. If any of those parents had their heads on straight, or had some experience in American society outside of their small circle in southern California, they would have known this was just wrong. Tone down a couple of the moves a little and change the costume and the performance would have been excellent.

    The main issue here is "what is age appropriate?"

    When an 49 year old woman tries to look like she is still a slutty 19 and dresses that way, its just embarrassing and bad taste. When a 9 yr old dresses and acts like she is a slutty 19 year old...there is a problem with their parents. When a group of 9 years olds does it with parental support and encouragement...well frankly, it borders on abuse and is definitely negligent parenting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aspoestertjie View Post
    I don't know, but the 7 and 8 year old girls I know all look innocent and fragile. I can't imagine seeing my daughter wearing such an outfit and making such provocative moves on a dance floor. This seems to be more of an American thing?

    I am a mother who will support any effort my child want to take on to learn dancing, but if a teacher dresses her like that I will definitely stop it. I can't imagine a mother sitting in the crowd being proud of what she sees.

    It is sad though and I wonder sometimes if these little girls have any say in this. I get the impression that many mothers pushes their daughters into things like this so that they can prove something. Just don't ask me what.
    Where are the fathers?

    frankly I think we trace all this to the breakdown of the family. A father of an 8 year old girl should be between the ages of 30 and 45....he should be like a bear or a lion when protecting his daughter is concerened.

    But these days more and more dads aren't in the picture. Sorry but a step dad mom married 2-3 years ago ..or maybe just never married, is not likely going to have the same biological drive to protect his young girl.

    So when mom is not married to or maybe never was married to her kids' father(s)...and she herself often dresses and gets looking "sexy" for her dates...and when she brings a man to her bed when her kids are there....well we see what this sort of behavior results in. Little girls at that age want to emulate the important women in their lives. She wants to dress, look and act like those women around her....That performance, IMO is a little peek into the lives those little girls must have.

    A real father who was involved and had his head screwed on straight and not sucked in by the feminization of American men (where being a manly man is viewed as "old fashioned", "closed minded", etc.)-- would never permit his little girl to dress or act that way.
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    I don't know if it is fathers being absent or more of a sub-culture for those who have money. It seems more to be mother-driven but I'm sure the fathers that are involved get sucked up into wanting their little precious one to have a shot at fame.

    Everyone in here who knows me knows that I am more than moderately liberal on social issues.
    But I raised my daughter from my first marriage since she was 11. Now my grandaughter just turned 10. I buy her the Hannah Montana stuff and a michrophone and listen to her ALL afternoon before taking her home for my daughter to hear daily...

    I often will pick out something for her without her even with me. I watch hwer "perfom" in a glittery pair of pants and a "short V" collar as well as a funny oversized pair of fuzzy boots. I watched her about an hour before I just couldn't take it anymore and told her "Your'e on your own now kiddo."
    Though she had an entire dance routine made up for some certain song by Cyrus. Other than a hand on her hip and shaking like we all did in "The Hokey Pokey"...."You put rour right hip in you put your right out"....Anyone (besides me) remember doing that? Never once did she make a move that looked anything other than "cute". I do recall chuckling, (to myself of course not to hurt her feelings) as she tried to look and sound so sincere about how she spent her life with (whoever) and now he has her heart forever, something along that line.
    But not one thing she did was provacative. Of course I am her grandfather and I suspect than all alone she may attempt certain moves or even looks. But she is of course limited as all her clothes are the clothes of a ten-year-old.
    I never really had a childhood. But I do think it is vital to be truly happy in life to have a childhood. (I'm having mine now) Why rush anything beyond a child's age? Keep an even balance of maturity and sexual image in line with what a ten year old should .
    It's okay to allow more freedom of expression from a ten year old if they are more mature than average but not anywhere near what these young girls portray in the video.
    I think the main motivation comes from one or both the parents. They fall into a lifestyle of keeping up with the Jones to the point ofn (ab)using their children to boost their own egos.
    I am not claiming that such acts create pedeophiles. I'm not even thinking of it from that perspective. I'm looking at the children and saying they should not be doing such as that kind of suggestive movements (if an adult not injected into them) should not even be among the list of activities a ten year old does in such a public display.
    I'm not arguing that the practice of it would not increase the likelyhood that they would be better adult dancers when they become adults. But I am saying there are better ways to do it.

    All in due time and in the appropiate manner. I'm not buying my grandaughter a pair of fish net stockings!........
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    I didn't bother to actually watch the video, since I'm sure it's much like what we've seen before. I wholeheartedly disagree with sexual imagery applied to children. First of all children are not mature enough to consent to the ways in which their bodies are portrayed, and more importantly still, we have large numbers of men who are attracted to children, and having little girls shake their nearly naked selves around on TV is like teasing a vicious dog on a thin leache. Until people address the fact that pedophelia is a problem that needs to be faced if we're ever going to deal with it effectively, it will stay underground, which is the worst way it can be. We need to start accepting that pedophilic tendencies exist, that those who have those tendencies need help, and teasing them by strutting our prepubescent daughters across the TV screen half naked is cruel to both the children and to those who have (sadly) sexual desires toward them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CC View Post
    I don't know if it is fathers being absent or more of a sub-culture for those who have money. It seems more to be mother-driven but I'm sure the fathers that are involved get sucked up into wanting their little precious one to have a shot at fame.
    IMO it is either:

    Fathers not being involved.

    "Fathers" not acting like men.
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