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    Republican party logo changes stars in 2000

    Why did the Republican Party change it's official logo from right-side up stars, to upside-down stars in 2000?

    Is this meaningful?

    Is this innocent, or some sort of oversight?

    What could be the reason to have it changed at all?

    How could this be seen as an improvement?

    What kind of people (or groupings of people) prefer upside-down stars to right-side up ones?
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    Re: Republican party logo changes stars in 2000

    Source?
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    Re: Republican party logo changes stars in 2000

    http://weburbanist.com/2010/11/07/po...elephant-logo/

    The first thing I do when someone makes a claim I am ignorant about, is I google it. That would have provided plenty of sources. I also usually don't ask for a source unless I seriously doubt the claim, because that seems to be a waste of time to me.

    Just saying.

    Do you doubt that the stars were changed?

    Since a source has been provided, any comments on it?
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    Re: Republican party logo changes stars in 2000

    First, as part of ODN rules you are required to support any claims made, further it is good etiquette here to cite links to explain your OP better. It is your responsibility to do so, not ours.

    Second, it appears as if this is a non-story. Even in the link you provided the stars up/stars down configuration is used interchangeably throughout time, so it doesn't seem to be any particular plot or conspiracy.
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    Re: Republican party logo changes stars in 2000

    First, as part of ODN rules you are required to support any claims made, further it is good etiquette here to cite links to explain your OP better
    I understand that I must support my position, but I had no original position. It was put out there for commentary. Maybe I am using the site improperly, and if so, I apologize. Maybe I have a different understanding of what a claim is, and to me it is clearly distinguished from publicly available and undisputed facts.

    Even in the link you provided the stars up/stars down configuration is used interchangeably throughout time, so it doesn't seem to be any particular plot or conspiracy.
    The stars may be used interchangeably by non-official entities, but the question pertains to the official change in 2000 - not at any other time, or by any other source. In addition, the site specifically says that it was done in 2000. It also has a link to it's source which claims the change is satanic in nature.

    I quote the link I provided:

    "A curious point in the Republican Elephant’s evolution occurred in the year 2000 during the first year of George W. Bush’s administration. With virtually no notice and little if any subsequent explanation, the 3 stars in the GOP Elephant logo were inverted so that they now stood points down."

    The official logo has not reverted from the upside-down star pattern , nor was such a pattern used officially before that point.

    I myself claimed no conspiracy nor plot here - I just wanted commentary. I was hoping someone else would note that upside-down stars may be satanic in nature, though it was not my contention.

    It is not in my opinion, a non-story, official GOP sites still orient the stars in this way:

    http://www.gop.com/
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    Re: Republican party logo changes stars in 2000

    A star, no matter how it is oriented, is not a symbol of satanism.

    A star is not the same as a pentagram.

    This is a non-story.
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    Re: Republican party logo changes stars in 2000

    A star, no matter how it is oriented, is not a symbol of satanism.
    Fair enough, what is a reasonable way to interpret this change?

    A star is not the same as a pentagram.
    I really, really wanted to disagree with you here - but I researched it more, and you are right. A pentagram needs to have the lines in the center, not just the outline.

    This is a non-story.
    After your minimalist rebuttal, I am surprisingly apt to agree - though it has made quite a stir in the last few days when it aired on RT internet news TV. Other people have posed the story in my "recent news" on facebook pretty much every day since.

    Other than seeing no reasonable way to justify this change, I pretty much totally concede the issue.
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    Re: Republican party logo changes stars in 2000

    Quote Originally Posted by Gherkin View Post
    I myself claimed no conspiracy nor plot here - I just wanted commentary. I was hoping someone else would note that upside-down stars may be satanic in nature, though it was not my contention.
    Why?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gherkin View Post
    Fair enough, what is a reasonable way to interpret this change?
    Aesthetics.

    I really, really wanted to disagree with you here - but I researched it more, and you are right. A pentagram needs to have the lines in the center, not just the outline.
    A pentagram is not a satanist symbol. Neither is the pentacle (the five pointed star, lines drawn, within a circle). Both symbols have been used by many religions, including paganism, Wicca, ancient Judaism , and even Christianity. The five pointed star used to represent the five wounds of Christ. Some satanist sects have adopted its use, but this does not reserve it part-and-parcel for satanism.

    After your minimalist rebuttal, I am surprisingly apt to agree - though it has made quite a stir in the last few days when it aired on RT internet news TV. Other people have posed the story in my "recent news" on facebook pretty much every day since.
    If I had to make I guess, I would guess those people posting this on your Facebook feed are young (under 20) adults and teenagers with a liberal bent. Am I close?
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    Re: Republican party logo changes stars in 2000

    Why?
    It seemed that the community included some conspiracy minded types. I didn't want to advance the idea, being unconvinced - but I was hoping it would come out to be a debate topic.

    Aesthetics.
    Can you please elaborate? Why is this aesthetically better? The GOP doesn't make branding changes without consideration, and I'm sure it cost them money to decide on, so it must have some good reasons why or how it is more aesthetically pleasing. I know to me, it definitely is unconvincing, if it was supposed to garner my attention or support.

    A pentagram is not a satanist symbol. Neither is the pentacle (the five pointed star, lines drawn, within a circle). Both symbols have been used by many religions, including paganism, Wicca, ancient Judaism , and even Christianity. The five pointed star used to represent the five wounds of Christ. Some satanist sects have adopted its use, but this does not reserve it part-and-parcel for satanism.
    Well, while they have been used by many groupings, that doesn't mean they aren't satanic symbols as well. If I want I can put a backwards swastika as my avatar, and claim (accurately) that it is a symbol of peace in multiple traditions including Native American and Buddhist - but I imagine that preconceptions about the symbol would be rampant. I would advise strongly against people using that symbol due to what other will probably mistakenly associate it with.

    If I had to make I guess, I would guess those people posting this on your Facebook feed are young (under 20) adults and teenagers with a liberal bent. Am I close?
    Nope. Not even close. I have few teenagers in my friends list, and they are family. I have few young adults in my friends list, and they are libertarians and anarchists. I have few liberals in my friends list, and they are spiritual types, buddhists, new age or the like.

    My friends list breaks down about like this: 1/8 real life friends and family, 1/4 Libertarians and Anarchists, 1/4 Spiritual/New Age/Buddhist types, 1/8 traditional conservatives, and 1/4 conspiracy buffs. Of course there is overlap, but that's just a generalization.

    The story keeps coming up from the conspiracy group. Conspiracy types are just as opposed to Dems as Repubs. For that matter, so are Anarchists, and many Libertarian and Spiritual types. My friends list is very very low on Liberal mindset - as they tend to defriend me after a while, even if they liked me at first. I'm pretty much as opposed as you can get to Socialism/Communism/Liberal Statism etc, and where I am for it is where those things overlap with spirituality (as there actually is quite a bit of that), or where liberals agree with freedoms.
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