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    The funny thing about Halo games...

    In the Halo games you can die fairly easy from balistic weapons, especially ones like the Sniper Rifle. However, this is only game mechanics and not considered canon(The facts about a fictional universe). In the Halo books, which are counted as canon, show a different story.

    In Halo: The Fall of Reach Master Chief took a smattering of 50mm rounds and it dropped his shields to half. Assuming a smattering is 5, it would take 2.5MJ to drop his shields(One 50mm round moving at high velocity is about 250kJ, so 250kJx10=2.5MJ). That was wearing MJOLNIR Mark V armor, with his current being MJOLNIR Mark VI. Mark VI has 2x the sheild strength of Mark V, so his shields alone can withstand 5MJ. The Halo Sniper rifle does 30kJ of energy.

    This means if you had canon shields, you could withstand well over 100 round of the sniper rifle without your shields failing, instead of just 1......
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    Re: The funny thing about Halo games...

    You're a dork. ;-)

    JK of course. It depends a lot on what type of round (composition and muzzle velocity), obliqueness of angle hit, presumably material needing to be vaporized or whatever by a shield.

    Also do you mean 50mm or 50cal? Again difference being that 50mm rounds are enormous and are usually HE, so the book could be implying that the rounds hit near him rather than impacted which dramatically reduces energy transfer. Where did you get the 30kJ reference out of curiosity?
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    Re: The funny thing about Halo games...

    Quote Originally Posted by superiorarsena View Post
    In the Halo games you can die fairly easy from balistic weapons, especially ones like the Sniper Rifle. However, this is only game mechanics and not considered canon(The facts about a fictional universe). In the Halo books, which are counted as canon, show a different story.

    In Halo: The Fall of Reach Master Chief took a smattering of 50mm rounds and it dropped his shields to half. Assuming a smattering is 5, it would take 2.5MJ to drop his shields(One 50mm round moving at high velocity is about 250kJ, so 250kJx10=2.5MJ). That was wearing MJOLNIR Mark V armor, with his current being MJOLNIR Mark VI. Mark VI has 2x the sheild strength of Mark V, so his shields alone can withstand 5MJ. The Halo Sniper rifle does 30kJ of energy.

    This means if you had canon shields, you could withstand well over 100 round of the sniper rifle without your shields failing, instead of just 1......
    So there's a difference between reading a book and playing a video game? ;-) How much fun would either be if they were relegated to the limitations of reality? What makes them fun is the fantasy.

    Playing a video game (especially a shooter like Halo) where your character is virtually invincible is a different kind of "fun" from the greater challenge of having to move about, find cover, and plan your attack strategy more carefully. Game designers try to balance a video game to be fun, playable, and challenging, without being completely impossible.

    In a book, the objective is to develop the characters and move the storyline along. Authors often "stretch" the realistic capabilities of their characters because it is necessary to the story.

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    Re: The funny thing about Halo games...

    Also do you mean 50mm or 50cal? Again difference being that 50mm rounds are enormous and are usually HE, so the book could be implying that the rounds hit near him rather than impacted which dramatically reduces energy transfer. Where did you get the 30kJ reference out of curiosity?
    I am 100% sure it said 50mm. They were fired from a SkyHawk Jet that has 4 50mm guns and carries anti-tank missiles. Fun fact, Master Chief ended up slapping the missile away so that it didn't kill him, then got up, sprinted at 60mph, tore his achilles tendon, then rang the bell and finished the armor testing. Anyways, the Halo SR9 Sniper Rifle fires a 14.5mmX114mm round. Due to a 300-400 year peace, the UNSC has not advanced much in terms of weapons until the Insurrection, so it is assumed that it has the same muzzel velocity as weapons today. The best comparison would be the NTW-20 with the 14.5x114mm Russian(In both looks and functionality). This has about 30kJ in terms of energy. 1/2 x 0.06kg x 1006^2m/s = 30,000J = 30kJ.

    "So there's a difference between reading a book and playing a video game? ;-) How much fun would either be if they were relegated to the limitations of reality? What makes them fun is the fantasy. "
    Trust me, I KNOW the difference between canon and game mechanics, I'm a respected Factpiler.

    In a book, the objective is to develop the characters and move the storyline along. Authors often "stretch" the realistic capabilities of their characters because it is necessary to the story.
    Quite the contrary in terms of Halo books. The Halo books give the more realistic capabilities of the characters. For example, Master Chief can flip a 70-ton tank in the game(game mechanics), but the books have him lifting about 3 tons max.

    Also, en a time in the game corresponds with the 5MJ shields. Master Chief fell from 2km up(Terminal velocity). In Halo: First Strike, Fred-104, while falling from low orbit, calculated the terminal velocity for a SPARTAN-II in MJOLNIR armor(which is about 1 ton), this came out to 130m/s. 1/2 x 888kg x 130^2m/s=7,503,600=7.5036MJ

    This means after you account for the shields, you are left with about 2.5MJ. It also should be noted that the suit came out of the fall almost completely unscathed, meaning the armor plating can withstand considerably more energy.(Note that 2.5MJ+ refers to the suit, without shields, as a whole, smaller areas can take less damage)
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